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As an American from Argentinian parents, let me put it to you this way.
Would the US get over China taking Hawaii away from them? Especially if it's just so they can control the oil rights in that area.
When exactly did Argentina ever control the Falklands though?
The wiki page goes into detail. However, besides having their own people on the island at some points, they claim ownership via inheritance from Spain when they won their independence from Spain, and the Spanards had been on the island before anyone else.
The U.N. actually agreed with Argentina, and asked Great Britain to give the islands back to them.
Actually they make a claim based on the fact that it used to belong to Spain as well, and they inherited it when they won their independence from Spain.
And? Russia took over part of Ukraine and those citizens in the captured areas voted to stay with Russia.
(I'm not saying that's what happened with the Malvinas, just that voting alone does not make ownship right or wrong.)
[Citation Required]
Agree with you on this one. Conflict was done for political reasons, and lives were lost.
However, if one nation held land that another nation believed was there, how long would they wait while they seeked a diplocatic solution, before they tried another route?
Honestly, it seems like British get more triggered when honest debate on this issue happens.
And you can't honestly see how a nation would want islands that are 350ish miles away from them, and that they feel belongs to them for centuries, back? Truly?
But you're not being honest, mate. You're making up crazy comparisons to Ukraine, which have absolutely no foundation.
I'm being absolutely honest about this. I can't prove a negative, but I'm debating honestly here.
/picardfacepalm
Its not about any particular country (those are just examples). Its about if nation A can have its people on nation B's land and then claim that land belongs to nation A. That's all.
So by your logic, Britain has a legitimate claim on the US?
British did own the island before Spanish according to the wiki article you shared.
Unfortunately for Argentina, they got their asses handed to them by the UK in 1982, and practically speaking, might makes right in international matters.
Or perhaps fortunately for the Falkland islanders, who have consistently voted to remain part of Britain?
If the people of Hawaii repeatedly voted to be Chinese, I'd say maybe we should at least pay attention to what they want.
Considering Hawaii's history, that's one hell of a statement you just made. You might want to revisit it, after knowing more of the history.
What does their history have to do with what they want today?
Are you saying Hawaiians should be denied democracy?
I'm not going to give you an education here about it, there's plenty you can read about the history of the Hawaiian nation and the US.
Lets just say that the wishes of the Hawaiian people in the past were not honored very well.
No, not at all. You really should read up on the history before continuing to assume that I'm saying things that I'm not saying.
Unless you can explain what the history of Hawaii would have to do with a democratic vote on whether to be American or Chinese, you can weave and bob all you want, but you have no point.
If Hawaii was given the democratic choice of "be American" or "be Chinese," the only people their history should matter to is the voters themselves.
And I'm guessing you're not Hawaiian, so it seems a bit paternalistic to speak on their behalf.
You REALLY should read up on it at least a little, before you continue to berate me about the subject.
Its not my job to educate you, but here's one link to get you started.
As I mentioned before...
I see, so they shouldn't be allowed to democratically vote on which country to be a part of because their wishes won't be honored.
Still sounds paternalistic.
I'm not saying that at all. Please don't put words in my mouth (again).
Go read up on their history, and then my comment will have context and you'll understand it.
you just posted the exact same comment four times. Could've tried explaining what point you're trying to make in that time.
Its 5:30am here and I haven't gone to bed yet, so I'm a little tired. Plus I'm having conversations with multiple people and getting multiple responses back, so you'll have to forgive me if I repeat myself unnecessarily. Hard to track multiple conversations.
Well then I'm not sure what you're arguing. Because my comment was that if Hawaiians got a chance to vote to be either American or Chinese, both countries should honor their vote.
So unless you're saying they shouldn't be allowed that chance, I have no idea what your point is.
As an American, yes we would. US would completely eviscerate any country that took over Hawaii.
Yep, true that. And the Falklands/Malvinas Islands are allot closer to Argentina than Hawaii is to the U.S.
Do you believe China would be happy with Great Britain owning Hong Kong indefinitely, being right next to China?
Do you believe that if China owned the Catalina Islands off the coast of California that the US would be okay with that, indefinitely?
Do you believe that what Russia is doing to Ukraine right now has nothing to do with the land around Russia?
If there's one constant in world politics, it's that a nation's always considers the ground around their nation as theirs as well, or at the very least in their 'Spear of influence', and hence their's to control.
I suspect a lot of Hong Kongers would prefer to have stayed under Britain I don't give a fuck what china thinks.
If China had colonized the Catilina and still somehow owned it to this day and the people of said island still voted in free and fair elections then id say allow it.
And Russia can burn in nuclear fire for all I fucking care.
Hong Kong was leased from China on a 99 year lease. The UK was required by law to return it to China, which they did.
Unlike the Falklands!
I'm aware of the lease versus not situation. That is not what's being discussed.
Whats similar in both though are the citizens situation and which nationality they wish to be, which country they wish to belong to. That's what's being discussed.
Your comment is days later, and I'm just repeating myself at this point, as I've already stated what I just stated above before. I think we've all said everything we can't say to each other.