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[-] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 94 points 11 months ago

What we need to do is stop viewing men and women as separate entities that require different expectations and treatment. Hell, we should probably just chuck the entire construct of gender out the window as it serves no real purpose other than to pit groups of people against each other.

[-] spaduf@slrpnk.net 22 points 11 months ago

I think this is absolutely the way to go for future generations (think genderless preschools/kindergartens) but I really don't think we can just flip a switch and undo millennia of gendered expectations. Although I really do appreciate the folks that try.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

I think it's extreme to say gender is inherently bad.

[-] zynlyn@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Totally. Gender can be pretty neat when you're not being oppressed by it and have the freedom to pursue your own identity

[-] kool_newt@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

but I really don’t think we can just flip a switch and undo millennia of gendered expectations.

Psychedelics make the brain flexible and this facilitates rapid cultural change.

[-] DanglingFury@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

How you gonna sell makeup and purses and shit unless they think they are not pretty? Gotta get them to sexualize themselves then get them to doubt their inherent beauty so they buy your products.

How you gonna sell guns and trucks and shit unless they think they are not manly.

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=CgeEEFpnvZA&si=IdTezv7Mtjd1e1nK

[-] Raz@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

I fully agree with your... Vibe?

But honestly there are differences between the sexes and genders and we shouldn't just ignore those. Especially not with gender roles still being so embedded and most people being raised/coded with them.

I grew up a hetero normative male and that shit is hard to let go of, even tho I'm definitely not straight and love queer stuff. Escaping that "programming" can be scary AF.

I'm more than happy to raise a new generation free of gender roles, but let's not forget those that were raised with them.

[-] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah, it's definitely not something that is even remotely easy to change and it would probably take several generations to do so. I think it starts with separating the two concepts and recognizing that for the most part the differences are tied to sex, not gender. Also, I think it's perfectly fine for people to identify with a gender, but to tie the entire perception of them to the gender is where all the problems arise. Though maybe that necessarily complicates things.

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