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I agree with most of your points. Fortunately unlike most wars, this one does actually have a clear good and bad guy.
I had to watch John Kirby cry about Russians hitting Ukrainian hospitals and then smirk as he's talking about Israelis doing the same thing. There are no good guys when the US is involved in war.
Sure, the US hardly ever deserve the title of good guys, but surely we can agree Ukraine is the penultimate good guy
(for now, it'll be interesting to see then switch back out of wartime emergency powers if things ever settle down enough for them to have the chance)
Uh...sorry to sidetrack here, but do you know what penultimate means? Because in this context it would mean that Ukraine is the second to last good guy. Which doesn't make much sense.
Thanks, that's hilarious! I thought it meant quintessential.
All always, it's good to be humble...
Glad I could help! Learn something new every day!
Meh the US at the helm typically keeps everyone else chilled the fuck out so I would say net-net they’re good.
Lol okay, good for who? Vietnam? Iraq? Korea? Cambodia? Panama? Nicaragua?
The US has been "at the helm" for so long now it's impossible to think it any other way. US foreign policy is "good" for one country, the US. The global police bullshit is exactly that, bullshit.
Who would you have preferred instead of the major powers?
I would have preferred the US foreign policy to be closer to what our founding fathers wanted, to stay the fuck out of everyone's business. Unfortunately, people in Washington starting realizing that wars are GOOD business and have basically kept us involved in some sort of active conflict for decades now
I mean the Soviets helped beat the Nazis and they were hardly the good guys. Helping Ukraine makes US the good guys in the Ukraine war. Each action should stand on its own.
There is no such thing as a transitive character for the property of being a good guy, otherwise any arms dealer would be a "good guy" by selling weapons to Ukraine.
Its the actual reason for helping the good guys in this war - Ukraine - that makes a 3rd party helping then good guys or not (hence, for example selling weapons to Ukraine is just business, not being a good guy) and if there is one thing US actions in Israel show is that it's not a high moral standpoint or even basic humanity that shapes US help, even if their propaganda relentlessly proclaims their actions are driven by the purest of motivations.
What a weird name for a Ukrainian, who does he work for again?
John Kirby is an asshat. That has nothing to do with who should be supported in Ukraine.