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Why is he not being charged under Iowa's hate crime laws?
I would like to see this, although I wonder if the correct answer is that religion is not a protected group. If religion is a protected group, this is a hate crime.
Come now, we both know Christians would just then cry that non-belief isn't a religion.
In fact, I'm pretty sure I remember hearing that come up in the past... They're using motivated reasoning. They want a specific outcome, not a set of principles applied.
Sucks for them. They apparently haven't heard of Title VII of the Civil rights act.
"Religious beliefs include theistic beliefs (i.e. those that include a belief in God) as well as non-theistic “moral or ethical beliefs as to what is right and wrong which are sincerely held with the strength of traditional religious views.”
"Religious observances or practices include, for example, attending worship services, praying, wearing religious garb or symbols, displaying religious objects, adhering to certain dietary rules, proselytizing or other forms of religious expression, or refraining from certain activities."
Those quotes are from the US customs and border protection website here. Straight from the horses mouth.
It does suck for them, but that's never stopped them from trying and they even get unconstitutional laws on the books.
The mere fact something is illegal does not stop someone.
Oh for sure, it is scary how they can do mental gymnastics like that. All it really takes is a corrupt judge that follows the Bible more than they follow our laws and constitution to be able to sidestep that, too. Thankfully, most judges do make their decisions based on our laws and constitution.
I understand though what we need to realize is that this isn’t simply “non-belief”. Satanic temple members have strongly held beliefs as part of the core tenants of satanism. It’s a non-superstitious religion. It’s just as valid a religion as christianity or islam.
I agree with you, I'm just pointing out that the Christians are not using logic or reasoning despite using words that might convince you otherwise.
I can’t argue with that.
But it isn’t a non-belief. I wholeheartedly believe they’re wrong.
Hopefully no one will have to tell that to a judge. Religous extremists are a poison.
I don't know the right answer. Religious persecution is a real thing and has caused the deaths of countless people across the years that humans have existed. BUT Christians aren't being persecuted in America (at the moment at least) and have an undo influence on the levers of power. I feel like a good thing to do would be to give the IRS teeth and and have individual Churches or Church organizations that violate the terms of their non profit status actually lose it and have to pay taxes on the huge amount of wealth they own (mostly land but I am sure other shit).
Yes, all churches need to pay taxes.
See, the thing about charity work is, it’s tax deductible!
Because Iowa is still under a Christian stranglehold behind the scenes.
Iowa used to be purple, it's since turned into a red shithole. You got a few bright spots in Des Moines and Iowa city, but the rest of the state is rednecks and meth heads.
feels true about every state these days...
Yep. Otherwise who’s to say a random cross somewhere doesn’t ‘strike a nerve’ precedent of him getting away w it just leads to chaos.
"I saw the cross and it struck a nerve. When I think of those men in those dresses molesting children... I saw red, white, and blue... and I knew I needed to stand up for those children's freedom from this den of paedophiles"
This is the news story I'm waiting for. If only the people larping as protectors of children knew the call was coming from inside their own house of worship.
There’s at least some who know and don’t really care. They’re just there to feel accepted and popular.
Because those laws only exist to protect christians?