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Table might count for me here.
I grew up in America and "a bill was tabled" means that a bill was removed from consideration there... while as in Canada it means the precise opposite "a bill was tabled" means it was introduced for debate.
I don't use the term often in common speech, but I was really confused reading political news when I first arrived.
Really?
In Canada to remove from consideration the term is "shelved", just in case that's different. Tables and shelves, what's with these terms? (probably what happened with the physical paper it was written on.)
Verbing weirds language.
and languaging weirds verbs
We can also compoundwordly languageweird!
Yea, and the Cambridge dictionary backs me up here https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/tabled
US doesn't make any sense to me. The table is where things are discussed. You bring it to the table.
Just because it has been brought to the table doesn't mean it will go anywhere else. "Tabling" a discussion suggests that we are stepping away from the table for now. We are taking away any deal we have struck, but leaving behind any issue still under contention. Maybe we will bring it up when we come back, maybe not.
We use "tabling" in much the same sense as the idiom "leaving money on the table", meaning "concluding a transaction without demanding all consideration owed to you".
Tabling means it's brought for discussion, it doesn't need to go anywhere else.
The other idiom even has to specify leaving the table.
*Hell even the prior definition had to say "later date" because it was to be discussed at the table.
It absolutely does need to go somewhere else. The issue under discussion is not yet operational. It's not yet a law, or part of a contract. While it is on the table, it is nothing more than hot air. The participants have to come to a consensus and carry it away from the table as an agreement before it becomes actionable.
Tabling an issue means it isn't progressing into operation. It's still on the negotiating table, but we are moving on to other, more pressing issues for the time being.
Context also matters. If the issue isn't currently under discussion, then yes, it makes sense that "tabling" means you are bringing it to the table; inviting discussion on that issue.
But, when the issue is already under discussion, a proposal to "table" that issue certainly doesn't mean to reintroduce the issue we are already discussing.
...discussions are discussions. They don't need to lead somewhere for the discussion to happen, ie the discussion to be brought to the table.
You're describing a conversation, not a discussion. A conversation can be had for no other purpose than to have it.
A discussion has an objective, a purpose. A discussion ended without achieving that purpose has been "tabled": it has been left on the table, at least for the time being, while the participants divert attention to more pressing issues.
My purpose in this discussion is to convince you that "tabled" can be logically used in the manner I described. As you do not seem receptive to that concept, I'm going to table this discussion and continue with my day.
It does not need to become law, it does not need to be part of a contract for it to be discussed or brought to the table, aka tabled. You know to be brought under discussion or consideration.
You're oddly adversarial about this, so cheers.
My impression is that a tabled thing is put down and is no longer the thing at hand. It will probably be picked up later, once other things, that are on the table, are through.
Then it is shelved. Basically for a later dated. Tabled is where the discussions take place.
So did you table your use of
tableor was it tabled and therefore, still on the table?