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Biden and Trump are the same, and the country is worse off now than in 2020? You are clinically insane.
They're not the same.
A good analogy tho is skydiving instructers, you know when you first go and they have to strap someone to your back?
Republicans are suicidal instructors, who won't pull the parachute no matter what. They're going to divebomb into the ground and take us with them.
However some Democrats like Biden believe the only right time to pull the chute is at the absolute last second. To them pulling it a second early is just as bad as a second too late. They have a very specific point where it's ok to open the chute.
So while they may not be intending to kill us, if anything causes the tiniest delay...
The result is the same. We smash into the ground and die.
Which isn't as bad until we get to the point where any reasonable person would understand even if Republicans aren't strapped to our backs, they're going to do everything they can to interrupt Biden from pulling the chute.
You could argue that means the bad result isn't Biden faults, but that doesn't mean we can't be mad that he's still waiting for the last second to open the chute instead of just doing it as soon as he can.
The economy has vastly improved.
We aren't sucking up to Putin.
Queer people are not as scared and us parents of them are not as scared (although scared of what could happen this year).
The result is not the same.
Meh...
The wealthy are wealthier, everyone else is worse off.
And those economy gains are mostly from record breaking fossil fuels, and if you haven't noticed, the climate isn't exactly doing great.
In that example Biden isn't failing to pull the chute, he strapped on a jet pack and hit the gas pointing straight at the ground.
Have you ever even talked to someone who is transgendered? Shit isn't exactly going great for that demographic.
Hell, even just for women. Abortion is kind of a big deal. Biden could" have used those two years to codify abortion, instead he did absolutely nothing.
No. Everyone is not worse off. That's simply false. The economy was in free-fall when Trump left office and unemployment was sky-high. Yes, prices are higher now and that is not good, but people can now afford to pay for food because they have jobs.
Okay? That would have been the case regardless.
Yes I have, and it was much worse under Trump.
https://www.hrc.org/news/the-list-of-trumps-unprecedented-steps-for-the-lgbtq-community
How? Exactly how could he have achieved this? Please detail it.
Giving Biden credit for more jobs after the pandemic is like saying Bill Clinton's pro corporate policies caused the dotcom boom...
Or that it was his over zealous crackdown on nonviolent offenders that caused the decline in crime rate and not the normal effect of banning leaded gas decades earlier, something that we saw across the globe on the same timeline after they banned it.
You're doing the same thing Republicans do, giving credit to your "team" for things that would have happened anyways.
And waaaaaay over exaggerating how much got fixed.
How does anything get made a law?
We had two years where Dems controlled the House, Senate, and presidency...
If you're saying it's not Bidens fault nothing got done, how is it he's the one that got literally anything else done?
You're making it out to be Biden has zero power, but you just gave him credit for increasing fossil fuels production?
Is there any logic behind this to you? Or are you just saying every good the ng is only because of Biden, and every bad thing is something he couldn't do.
Who honestly believes that?
No. We had two years where Dems controlled the House and the Presidency and were challenged at every move by Sinema and Manchin. What specifically would have convinced Sinema and, especially, Manchin to agree to codify abortion? Because, if you weren't aware, the Democrats did try to codify abortion and Manchin specifically blocked it.
So what should they have done to convince Manchin? Or do you think they could have convinced a Republican to take their side? Because I sure as hell don't.
I'd take that as an excuse if Biden hasn't spent the whole primary and election telling us that he can get dem legislation thru a Republican Senate....
Then we (luckily) end up with 50 D senators, and Biden told us it was pointless to try.
That doesn't really change anything, because Biden was already expecting to have to fight a Republican Senate and get a couple votes.
Hell, the whole reason we got 50 was the GA runoff when Biden was still saying 50 D's would be enough to pass the whole platform.
Do you think Joe "Senate whisperer" Biden just didn't know who Manchin was?
If so, why couldn't he still get those few R votes he promised he could get?
So it’s Biden’s fault that republicans are opposing anything the democrats are doing?
You’re playing right into their game with that kind of thinking.
It's my fault for listening to what Biden said he could?
I should have known he would blatantly lie to get elected and then immediately act like I'm an idiot for thinking what he said was true?
But also...
This time I should listen to Biden and it totally won't happen again....
Have you ever thought about why voter turnout goes down for incumbents?
Not always.
Trump got more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016 and there's no reason to believe Biden isn't going to get more considering it's an exact repeat.
Biden has been fixing Trump's dumpster fire and most reasonable people can see that.
Total votes almost always go up due to population increase over the last 4 years...
When people talk about turnout, we're talking about percent of eligible voters.
The 2020 presidential election was historic in many ways. Amid a global pandemic, with unprecedented changes in how Americans voted, voter turnout rose 7 percentage points over 2016, resulting in a total of 66% of U.S. adult citizens casting a ballot in the 2020 election.
I was.
That says overall turnout increased 7%< not that trump increased his by 7%... Not sure if you noticed, but he lost 2020...
And that's not even getting into how trump did what Republican voters wanted, Biden hasn't .
So even if Trump's went up, what does that have to do with Biden's?
But I'm tired of not noticing your username till I'm roped into conversations.
I'd rather just never see it again, so that's what I'm doing. Don't expect anymore replies, I'll never see them.
Have a good day u/SatansMaggotyCumFart
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So you move goalposts and get pissed off for being called out and block me? En
They literally tried. Did you even read my link?
Manchin isn't even a Democrat anymore, and even before he made that official, it was already de facto true.
So you're saying even tho it was obvious, Biden and his people didn't see it coming?
How does that change Bidens presumption that it would be a Republican Senate?
Hey, I’m trans, and I feel much safer right now than under trump. And I am very anxious about a second term for trump. Biden doesn’t want me dead and neither do his supporters.
maybe you won the geographic lottery and live in a good state and have the right to vote and are getting paid more and have extra rights and bodily autonomy
overall the economy is in the shitter between food costs, vehicle insurance and ownership costs, and pretty much everything else and since I have been born things have gotten worse every four years with no progress maybe some baby steps that have since stalled
not everybody is on that good bus
I live in Indiana.
Why yes, I am a citizen and an adult and not a felon. What's your point?
I am unemployed.
Such as?
Well yes, I'm male. That's not my fault. I can't make abortion legal again.
I'm not going to go past that. Maybe you can reassess your completely false image of me and we can continue.
I think Biden would be the instructor that pulls the shoot exactly as soon as he can, keeping you safe, but killing all of your fun and wasting your jump in the process. Trump would put you both in the ground and needs another instructor to save you both, after which Trump fires the other instructor and calls him a "very bad person" and has his family tormented for ages.
For that to be true....
I'd think Biden would have had plans to put in motion the day he assumed office and Dems had all the power.
Instead once in office he said he needed to "research" things he'd promise that he'd do.
And that "research" coincidentally took just long enough for Republicans to control the House, at which point Biden said he couldn't do anything.
Which sounds a lot like not pulling the chute until the last second, and getting interrupted and causing us to crash I to the ground.
If hed pulled it asap, that would have been his first two years when Dems had all the political power.
Nah, Biden is absolutely not the sort to pull it asap in this analogy. Pulling the chord is implementing effective regulation and actually slowing the descent.
What part of doing literally nothing on several major fronts is, "pulling it asap"?
In case, like me, you weren't sure if this person was arguing in good faith.
when he ran with obama they cuffed a presidential candidate to a chair for eight hours because they did not want her debating with them and the republicans
how is that different not to mention his conservative views on everything
What the fuck are you even talking about
Provide proof
https://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/17/green_partys_jill_stein_cheri_honkala
LOL! out of this world take on that event
they repeated the facts. you just don't like them.
I am going to second that needing a source thing
https://lemmy.world/comment/6404443
That’s fucked up they should not have tied them to a chair.
I can understand restraining them to keep them from entering the event that they are not welcome to on private property, but come on dude did they really need to handcuff them when they’re out numbered 6-1