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I don't understand why anyone who was a fan of George Carlin would ever do this... It seems like something someone who didn't like Carlin would do. What was the point?
Money.
Some also-ran hacks who aren't fit to be in the same room as Carlin are using him to make a name for themselves and drive views to their bullshit channel.
It is grift, pure and simple.
Boy though I would love to hear Carlin's opinion on all this AI shit. I think he would get a perverse kick out of seeing himself poorly re-created in such a manner, but I also think he would tear to shreds the kind of people who think it's a good idea to use it like this.
Skip to 38:00 in "I'm Glad I'm Dead", there's a whole segment about it and AI recreations in general.
Like most current demonstrations of AI, it's just a tech demo. All it's really meant to do is show off its capabilities. This wasn't meant to be taken as somebody's true artistic vision or something.
If it was a tech demo then wouldn't the company that made it want to take credit? The article said they wouldn't say which AI they used due to a non disclosure agreement
Why would the company want all this controversy over a tech demo?
The show is on Youtube, searching "Duesy Carlin" gets it easily. I'm listening to it and it does seem to be Carlin's style of humor.
That is irrelevant.
It was not made by Carlin, it is not his work and he or his family did not consent to the production.
And why would they need to consent to it? Do Elvis impersonators need to get consent from his family to dress and and sing and act like him? This is especially true if it isn't performing his work but new stuff in his style. Comedians learn from each other all the time. Carlin himself had listed a bunch of comedians who have influenced his style.
Your heart is in the right place, and I understand what you're saying. Impressionists have always been a thing. People who emulate the art styles of greater artists have always been a part of the culture, and should be.
But there's a critical difference with AI, because it is quickly approaching a point where it can create copies so high-fidelity that they are indistinguishable from the originals. Crucially, they will be doing this with a relatively small amount of actual effort from those who wield them. We need to put protections in place for original creators, or before we even understand what's happened, all of culture will be driven by AI-produced remixing, and as those technologies are controlled by mega-corporations, everything about art we hold dear will be sold to appeal to algorithms. It's not too late to put the brakes on yet, but that won't be true for long.
I think the question as to whether or not it should be illegal is a different question. I could easily be convinced it should. However, I'm hesitant to support making something illegal, especially when it so closely resembles something that is currently legal, simply because of fear of what might happen.
I share your concerns for sure tho.
I'm saying that in reference to the question of whether a fan of Carlin is doing this. It's Carlin's style of humor, so it's likely a fan of Carlin. If it was someone who didn't like him why would he be accurately emulating his style of humor?
How close it is does not matter.
They are making money off of him, they may be doing it out of fandom but that does not change the fact they do not have the right to do it.
I meant that anyone who ever had an ounce of respect for George Carlin wouldn't do this. This seems like the exact sort of thing Carlin would have been strongly against if he were still alive
Fans make fanfiction about stuff they have respect for, this could be considered as an extreme sort of fanfiction.
My basic point is that you're making assumptions about the motivations here that may not be warranted. Whoever made this could well be a genuine George Carlin fan and just wanted to have another new special "by" him.
You're not wrong to compare this fanfiction.
In that light it's important to note that fanfiction writers don't have the right to make money off of their fanfiction without an explicit agreement with the original creator. This shouldn't be treated any differently.
AI creation is incredible in what it can do, but when it's this direct of a ripoff, the person it's ripping off should be granted a share of any money it makes. In this case, that person is dead, and I suspect Carlin didn't have a high opinion of inheritance and intellectual property estates, but it still feels wrong to profit off of the life work of somebody who was still around in your lifetime.
This is not fan fiction. Furthermore, the idea of standup comedy "fan fiction" that is just a comedy routine is absurd.
You haven't seen the broad diversity of forms that fanfiction takes.