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[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 94 points 6 months ago

This is terrible logic to go by.

If you generalise half the population and insult them then of course people are going to be mad at you.

This is like some boomer saying "All feminists are easily offended lesbians that just like to shout out people"

Then smugly being like "haha you proved my point" when a femininst rightly takes issue with that statement.

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 79 points 6 months ago

Also bears can't type, which introduces a massive bias during data collection.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 41 points 6 months ago
[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Well they did say "smarter than the average". Technically true, but must have meant something like... ten standard deviations from the mean.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Are you sure? How many bear caves have you been in? They might all have fiber at this point.

[-] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

I thought we were all dogs using the internet while out humans are at work.

Yall are dogs to right?

[-] Shadowq8@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

reminds me of this somethingawful ancient meme:

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 42 points 6 months ago

This is also an indicator of the world’s best insult as per the comic Basic Instructions:

“I find you argumentative and easily offended.”

Basically no one is allowed to respond to it.

[-] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago

“How you find me has nothing to do with the conservation. Anyway, conditioner is better.”

[-] beveradb@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

"I'm sorry you feel that way. I hope you get the therapy you need some day"

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[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 6 months ago

This is like some boomer saying "All feminists are easily offended lesbians that just like to shout out people"

Then smugly being like "haha you proved my point" when a femininst rightly takes issue with that statement.

Worse than that even, as feminists are less than half the population and an ideology you choose to belong to, rather than a demographic you are born into.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 months ago

If you generalise half the population and insult them then of course people are going to be mad at you.

As a random man I don't feel insulted by this at all. I would also rather be in the woods with a random bear than a random man. The bear is more predictable in preferring to have nothing to do with me.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

I would also rather be in the woods with a random bear than a random man.

Theres literally no way you genuinely believe this right?

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 months ago

I literally expanded on my reasons in the other reply.

There are literally a bunch of posts from other people explaining their reasons for preferring random bear as well.

The fact that a random man can be told multiple times "I don't know you well enough to be comfortable with this," with explanations, and they will still respond with "there's no way you actually mean the words you are saying" is a big contributing factor.

[-] FarmTaco@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

What do you think will happen if you tell the bear you arnt comfortable with being attacked

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 months ago

It's very possible to communicate to a bear that you aren't threatening them and that you aren't prey or worth attacking. I recommend looking up "what to do if you encounter a bear in the woods."

It seems to be very difficult to communicate to you that I would be uncomfortable encountering you alone in the woods.

So yes, the bear is probably a better listener.

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[-] Microw@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

I havent read the article, but from the heading and the teaser of it it seems to be a personal opinion piece of what she would prefer and asking other women about it.

Where exactly does she actively insult all men?

[-] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 14 points 6 months ago

Where exactly does she actively insult all men?

The part about saying she would prefer being alone in the woods with an animal that would maul and eat her alive than being with [insert trait you were born with].

If you don't think it's insulting, switch out the word "men" with gay/jew/trans or any other group of people and ask if those people would feel insulted.

It's a statement that very likely would be removed by moderators and gotten you banned on certain instances on Lemmy if you did. I honestly don't believe you're asking that question in good faith.

[-] Infernalism@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

I can't say that I blame her and I'm a guy. Besides, you know she's just being over the top to make a point. Take five seconds, look at what she's really saying and stop looking for reasons to be angry at her.

[-] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 9 points 6 months ago

I was merely replying to the other person who seemed to be arguing in bad faith.

I don't really have much interest the online gender debate. From the few tidbits I've seen, it's not a healthy debate and it doesn't align with anything I've seen in real life in Norway.

[-] tory@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

You yourself have completely ignored the argument you're responding to in order to chastise about arguing with a bad take.

It's looping upon itself and it all starts with one bad take. Maybe you can accept bad faith arguments are bad and move on?

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[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Okay, let's reframe this to be about a different specific group.

Let's say this woman wrote this exact same opinion piece, but instead of it being about men in general, it was about black men specifically.

And she is just saying that she would rather take her chances with a wild animal than be alone with a black man. Is that perfectly okay and not insulting/demanding to black men in your eyes?

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[-] Hule@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

But, I mean, are you acquainted with said bear?

Are you on terms with each other's intentions?

'Cause if you're in the woods with a stranger, there is a 50 percent chance you're going to have a bad time. Human or bear.

Stupid city folk. Comparing a BEAR with a honeybear...

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 months ago

A bear predictably would rather have nothing to do with me. If I treat a random bear with respect it will be more likely to treat me with respect than a random man.

[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 3 points 6 months ago

I dk, did it have any cocaine or do I have food on me?

Though that would also apply to a human.

[-] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

See, the difference is that the OP didn't use the word "all" anywhere. If you're not one of the untrustworthy men, then it isn't about you.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Would you accept this logic about any other group like that?

if someone said "Black people are thieves" then when you called them out they said "I didnt say ALL black people are thieves. If you're one of the good ones, then its not about you." would you just accept that as a perfectly reasonable statement or would you still call them racist?

[-] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 months ago

Having something stolen from you most likely isn't going to leave you scarred for life. And men are not, and have never been, an oppressed group. People who say "black people are thieves" say that because they are racist and want to veil their bigotry. Women who say "I'm scared of men" say that because they most likely have had negative experiences with them and understand that they are physically weaker than them.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Having something stolen from you most likely isn't going to leave you scarred for life.

Okay change it to mugged or beaten then? You know the point I'm making and purposely focusing on minor details instead of that actual point doesn't make your case any stronger.

and have never been, an oppressed group

I'm not claiming they are. If you're going to argue with me, then please argue against what I'm actually saying, nit whatever strawman you need to construct.

Women who say "I'm scared of men" say that because they most likely have had negative experiences with them and understand that they are physically weaker than them.

Imma trust you're an intelligent person and let you work out what's wrong with this one yourself.

[-] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

If someone has been frequently harassed and endangered only by black people, I'm not going to tell them they can't be cautious of black people.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago
[-] FarmTaco@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

so you believe racism is/can be justified?

[-] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

No. But I'm also not going to undermine other people's lived experience like that.

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