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And a vote for Biden does nothing to change it since Biden is already Gestapo ing the students.
We live in a 2-Party system. Let me guess: You already vote, donate, and volunteer to abolish it, and are leading a grassroots effort for voting reform.... Right!?
You only live in 2 party system because you keep screaming that you live in a 2 party system.
Keep endorsing your own oppression. The perfect slave.
No, we have a 2 party system because the existing law is inherently biased against 3rd parties thanks to our use of the electoral college/FPTP, lobbying, and lack of election finance regulation/enforcement.
It is a built in feature to our current laws.
Maybe learn how the world works. It could help you in life, because clearly, you're not even close to reality .
I don't know, man. I used to vote nothing but third party, yet here we are. So I kinda feel like the third party voters are the ones who keep doing the same thing and expecting different outcomes. Ross Perot was a character, though. But of course he still lost anyway and my vote did fuck all. Until Fascism is back out of fashion, I'm going to vote straight ticket dem. Eliminate the existential threat and then we can worry about the little stuff.
I can relate. I voted for Nader when Bush stole the election in 2000. I spent that entire term wondering how much better Gore would’ve handled 9/11 response and retaliation. It was the last time I let my vote go uncounted.
Being registered as Independent or Green Party is practically disenfranchisement. Now I periodically change my registration from Democrat to Republican, depending on which primaries I’m more interested in participating in.
Genocide, Climate catastrophe, Internment Camps at the Border, Police and state racism... All the little stuff.
Instead of holding the Dems accountable and offering them to win you back by actually adressing issues, you give them a free pass not to adress any issue you care about. They care about losing power. They don't care about what you want. Threatening to take away their power is the only thing that makes them listen to you.
None of that shit matters if we go the route of the Nazis. Because we will do so much worse.
Putting Trump in charge doesn't hold Democrats accountable. It would move them further to the right, which is the exact opposite of you want. They don't care about disinterested non-voters, they only care about courting those that do show up to vote.
Change needs to come from within. Organize within the DNC. Primary their candidates. That's how you get people like AOC elected. Once the primaries are over, there's no shot at moving them further left.
There is still 5 months until the election. 5 months in which the current DNC leaders can be pressured to change course.
Don't buy their bullshit that you have no power over them. I fully agree with you to organize though. Make your voices heard with them, but tell them fair and square that there is no vote for genocide supporters.
There's no incentive for them to change course now. That ship has sailed. They know the alternative is Trump and that's objectively worse.
During primaries, you have power. There they can be voted out without Trump's spectre looming over the election.
If people say: "Stop the genocide, or we will not vote you" there is plenty of incentive to change course now. But people arguing the opposite, claiming it is pointless and that the people have no power are diminishing the power of the people. This is why the DNC is pushing this narrative so heavily. They want you to be demotivated and feeling powerless. It is the same strategy like with the oil companies and climate change.
In a 2 party FPTP system, the people don't have that power. That's the point. The DNC can just shrug it off and say "okay, then Trump wins, and that's even worse". The DNC can survive a Trump term. Gaza may not.
As a gay man, let me make it clear: letting non-Democrats get into power does not do anything to hurt the politicians and does everything to empower those who would have me and people like me in the LGBTQ+ community dead. A vote that puts Trump in power - whether directly or indirectly - is a vote for the continued genocide of American minorities.
Are the Democrats not politicians then? Are they not seeking power then? Also what makes you believe that now they support a genocide against brown people and in four years they wouldn't support killing LGBT+ ?
247 years.
A two party system is the natural result of the American voting system. A first past the post voting system will always eventually lead to a two party system. If you want to avoid that eventuality, you need to use a different voting system.
Notable that the founders didn’t think there would be parties. That was naive and they would have gone about it differently if they knew better.
lol you should work to change the world. That starts with understanding how it works
So, no. You do nothing to improve the world and are just angrily yelling into the void... Thanks, adult toddler.
A child's take on game theory.
I wonder what you would say after looking up how many third party candidates successfully gained enough EC votes to be president?
Can’t win an argument with a fucktard.
Biden still runs internment camps at the border. Biden builds the wall that Trump was ridiculed for by the Dem supporters. Guantanamo is still open...
You play this game one round at a time. They play this game ten rounds ahead. And that is why you lose every round, thinking you had won it.
Thanks for the thoughts, bothsideser.
Way to not engage with the points i made. Scared of not having any arguments?
It is boring correcting, over and over, things which redcaps have deliberately distorted.
"Why did Biden obey the law with money that was already allocated to the border wall prior to his administration? Both sides."
"Why did Obama only release like 200 Gitmo prisoners instead of all? Shouldn't he have put the remaining 50 directly into US cities so he could close it all the way? Both sides."
Yawn.
Engels said, in a letter to Marx, the US "[c]onstitution…which makes it appear as though every vote were lost that is cast for a candidate not put up by one of the two governing parties." (Engels to Frederick Adolph Sorge, December 2, 1893, in Marx and Engels on the United States (Moscow: Progress Publishers, 1979), p. 333.)
We need to work to change things, but this is not new, and you are not smart for thinking that you have moved past it. Sure, if everyone agreed to vote for a single third party, it could happen. That's not going to happen though, at least for the president. Even people voting third party can't really agree on which one, diluting votes even further. Third party may work for some local elections, but not the president. Not yet at least.
From the table on Wikipedia, the record by percentage of EC votes is 24% (72/303) in 1860. By a former VP, not a Jill Stein.
Splitting the vote in PA that year made Lincoln's win a certainty. Nice that a spoiler candidate worked against the pro-slavery regressives of the era.
Their party split when the national convention didn't agree they'd abide by the SCOTUS ruling on States' Rights, LOL, absolute shitheads. And then they also did an insurrection.
And by repeating this mantra you protect the system and the systems parties against change. From a mass psychological point this is brilliant and the same play that the Sovjet Union and other regimes played and play. Break peoples spirit so they defend their own opression as they cannot envision anything outside of it.