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[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 140 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This constitutes a legal binding contract. No I will not be taking corrections.

[–] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn't that how the dumb ass kinda ended up over paying for twitter?

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 55 points 1 year ago

No he did sign an extremely one sided contract towards Twitter then tried to bs his way out of it after waving away the ability too

[–] Glowstick@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You say that jokingly, but it absolutely does. There are likely other claim holders who have a stronger claim that would superceded this one, but in and of itself this absolutely is a legal binding contact. This is exactly the kind of nonsense he spouts that put him in a position where he legally had to buy twitter even though he didn't actually want to

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

but it absolutely does

I get why you would say that, because verbal contracts are definitely a real thing that can be binding, and this basically takes the form of a verbal contract, with the added advantage of being written down so it's easy to prove what was said.

But I don't think any court would ever find that this constituted a binding contract. No reasonable person would believe that this was intended to be taken seriously, and an offer made in jest does not constitute a binding contract. See Leonard v Pepsico.

edit: With Twitter, as far as we know, he had actually signed a more standard contract in which he waived his right to due diligence. It was rash and stupid, but not really comparable to this at all.

[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

That's a funny court case. Pepsi releases an ad where someone gets a fighter jet for 7,000,000 pepsi points. Someone finds they can be bought for $0.10 each, so buys that many pepsi points and asks for the jet. The court sides with Pepsi, because it's ridiculous to think you're getting a fighter jet for that, and afterwards Pepsi edits the commercial to make it 700,000,000 pepsi points instead.

Also Pepsi never cashed the check for the points, and they did add a "Just Kidding" disclaimer, but that wasn't in the synopsis on Wikipedia. 700,000,000 pepsi points would cost almost double what the jet is valued at, so if someone did try the stunt again, they'd theoretically be able to get the jet to them. However, the Pentagon stated that the jet would have to be demilitarized, which includes removing its advertised feature of vertical takeoff and landing.

[–] Glowstick@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Good clarification from someone who sounds like they know what they're talking about, thanks. But i see no clear indication that it was said in jest. I mean if i had to guess i would say it was in jest, but i also can very easily see elon saying this in earnest because he's done so many rash enormous decisions in the past. I feel like at a bare minimum it's got enough validity that a lawsuit about it would become a real case and might make elon's estate want to give a cash settlement to avoid the litigation

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm just a well-read interested amateur, not a lawyer, let alone an American contract lawyer.

Leonard was a case where Pepsi advertised, basically, that they'd sell you a Harrier Jet for $700,000. Leonard sent them a cheque for that amount and tried to get them to honour the deal. There was nothing explicit in the ad that made it a joke, but Pepsi refused, and ultimately won the lawsuit because it was absurd. Likewise, in my opinion, giving away a multibillion dollar company on the basis of three tweets, one of which is describing the possibility of a mysterious death, and another which is literally just "Ok" is very similar to that situation, in that it's played straight, but is obviously a joke because of the content.

You're right that a lawsuit could be brought. I suspect it would even pass summary judgment, because whether or not it's a joke would be a finding of fact, not a simple finding of law. And I don't know what's hypothetical Musk Estate would do, but if it were Elon himself in charge there's a good chance you're right, he'd try to settle it. Not because he's afraid of losing or concerned about the cost of the lawsuit, but for the same reason he hurried to buy Twitter when he did: to avoid going through discovery. He obviously doesn't want details of his finances made public, for whatever reason. And his estate might very well inherit that shyness.

But all that would rely on Mr Beast being stupid enough to press his claim in the first place. I only know about him third-hand as a famous YouTuber with a history of doing some rather silly stunts, but surely this would be beyond him. The case might make for good Content™, but entering into it would be very expensive with almost zero chance of proper success and nowhere near a guarantee of even a favourable settlement.

[–] SleepingLesson@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Leonard would not be controlling here. This is a plain case of a contract lacking consideration and thus being invalid. The case would be dismissed, no need for summary judgment.

[–] Glowstick@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good walkthrough. I think a lawyer would happily take the case on contingency to get a cut of a big easy settlement, but other than that everything you wrote sounds likely

[–] SleepingLesson@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The contract lacks consideration and would not be found valid. No contract, no damages, no contingency.

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[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's no consideration specified, so it's not really a contract in normal terms.

It is however a last will and testament for disposal of his asset(s).

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Which is fine since there is no such thing as Twitter anymore.

[–] refalo@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

"mysterious" is subjective though

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 101 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Next MrBeast video.

“First person who follows me and gets rid of Elon gets $1,000,000.”

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 27 points 1 year ago

"Like, share, subscribe, and kill kill kill."

[–] Spitzspot 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depression is a side effect of Ketamine abuse.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If Mr. Beast gets ownership of Twitter I'll sign up just for the free money.

[–] Varven@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago
[–] Davel23@fedia.io 20 points 1 year ago

Drama Queelon

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I for once would like to see the rise of Bitter

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

Many people would be happy to go back to bitching on bitter if Elon would just disappear.

[–] refalo@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

didn't gta5 have a "Bleeter" ?

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is Trump’s “if I lose the election was stolen” bullshit from 2016 that we’ve never been rid of. Once again narcissistic right wingers are just copying his playbook

I don't want Mr Beast to have twitter, because he just might run it competently. I want the bird to die.

[–] gramathy@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Can we get him to say something about the 737 max?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What constitutes “mysterious” when it comes to a billionaire? Common people usually don’t have particularly creative or unusual modes of death. We going to find him strapped to the outside of a Falcon 9 booster like some James Bond-esque supervillain’s assasination attempt of Musk, the Main Character?

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If Elon musk got cancer and spent 5 years fighting it before succumbing to it people would claim that it's mysterious circumstances.

[–] 0x1C3B00DA@fedia.io 10 points 1 year ago

Doing an AMA on mastodon would be a horrible experience for everyone. Others have pointed out the obvious difference in reach, blocks/defederation means some ppl may not even be able to participate, participants might never receive questions, users from different instances wouldn't be able to see sibling comments, etc.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

The mistry is why it didn't happen sooner

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

IKR they got our hopes up

[–] EvolvedTurtle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Is this real lmao

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