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Plex, the free streaming app, laid off approximately 20% of its staff, TechCrunch has learned, which will affect all departments, including the Personal Media teams.

“This is by far the hardest decision we’ve had to make at Plex,” CEO Keith Valory said in a statement. “These are all wonderful people, great colleagues, and good friends. But we believe it is the right thing for the long-term health and stability of Plex.”

The streaming app gives users a single destination to upload and organize content (video, audio and photos) from their own server while also allowing them to stream it via mobile app, smart TV or desktop.

In recent years, however, Plex has invested in free, ad-supported streaming (FAST) and live TV offerings. The FAST market has become saturated as many companies have entered the space. Plus, the overall advertising industry has taken a hit, making it harder for companies to earn enough revenue.

Valory noted in his statement that the company was significantly impacted by the slowdown. “While we adjusted our business plan last year after the shift in equity markets to get us back on a path to profitability without having to cut personnel expenses, the downturn in the ad market in Q2 put significantly more pressure on our business and ultimately it became clear that we would need to take additional measures in order to maintain a confident path to profitability within the next 18 months,” he said.

He added that the company is still expected to see 30% growth this year.

According to a Slack message from Valory, obtained by The Verge, which first reported the layoffs, Valory noted that 37 employees would be impacted.

Additionally, it seems that Plex may have had another round of layoffs earlier this year. Five months ago, a former account executive posted on LinkedIn that they were “affected by company layoffs.”

As of January, the company had 175 employees, and its revenue was in the double-digit millions.

Updated 6/29/23 at 12:10 p.m. ET with a statement from CEO.

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[–] Landmammals@lemmy.world 99 points 2 years ago (6 children)

It seems like in the last few years the company's focus has primarily been on adding things to Plex that I do not want as part of Plex. And not adding the audiobook support that I do want.

[–] Threeme2189@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Look up audiobookshelf if you're willing to mess with docker a bit and forward a port or two. It's open source and does a, wonderful job.

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[–] Vaseline@lemmy.world 72 points 2 years ago (18 children)

Or we could all switch to an Open Source alternative, Jellyfin, and either donate what you’d normally pay Plex or just enjoy it for free. I’ve never used Plex and started with Jellyfin. It’s gotten the job done thus far

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 23 points 2 years ago (6 children)

It’s the app ecosystem for plex that keeps me there. There’s an app for my LG tv, an app for my in-laws’ Roku etc.

[–] TheOptimalGPU@lemmy.thesilentlink.org 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In case you didn't know, Roku and LG TVs have a Jellyfin app.

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[–] Vaseline@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes you’re right, Jellyfin isn’t on many platforms but I’m pretty sure they have an app for LG and Roku (Clients here). Although the LG app isn’t the best from what I remember. What I usually do is use an Amazon fire stick with Tailscale for my family and it’s been working well. But also as popularity increases others will be able to contribute more and the apps will become better.

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[–] jmanes@lemmy.world 64 points 2 years ago (11 children)

I used Plex for years, and it is the superior product (if you pay) compared to Open Source alternatives. However, after seeing Plex's recent incentive pivots and looking for investors I jumped shipped to Jellyfin. The thermometor of enshittification is indicating that Plex is on its way out.

Folks who haven't looked at alternatives yet, do so now.

[–] PlebsicleMcGee@feddit.uk 23 points 2 years ago

Jellyfin, caddy and duckdns can get you all the benefits Plex offers without needing to use their servers for logging in

[–] GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Literally the only two things keeping me from jumping ship are the multi-user support and Plexamp.

[–] Fisch@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago

Jellyfin has support for mutliple users

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[–] Ducks@ducks.dev 55 points 2 years ago

I'm honestly surprised that Plex has revenue in the "double-digit millions"

[–] HorseFD@lemm.ee 53 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Jellyfin is so good now. I used to use Plex but I have no need for it now at all.

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[–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 47 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh well, worse-case scenario- at least we already have Jellyfin.

[–] briongloid@aussie.zone 31 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I really hope Jellyfin gets a leg up soon, as a Plex Lifetime Pass owner I have become more and more discontent with the platform.

When I paid for my personal licence, it included downloads for all my users, now its cutoff to only older users. I had expected that Plexamp would only be restricted to me while it was being developed, but it remains locked away from my users should never individually have a reason to subscribe for just themselves.

I bought my licence to support the company for the use of my server and I feel like they've only downgraded my service in the last couple years. Getting new users to jump through all of the hoops with their pinned content, only to have them ask me why there are adverts on my movies is frustrating.

I feel like very little has improved in the core product in years, my users default settings are still transcoding to the same bitrate, or 10x its bitrate. Every time I have made a valid suggestion on the old subreddit, the Plex devs had plenty of time to reject any and all criticism.

I don't believe Plex is going to get much better and likely we will see further erosion of our licences as the company only focuses on free users and the FAST service. I will keep checking in on jellyfin and alternatives, hopefully they get a boost soon.

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[–] neo@lemmy.comfysnug.space 44 points 2 years ago (19 children)

Jellyfin NEEDS a plexamp tier music streaming app for me to consider moving unless plex completely self-owns harder than Twitter and reddit combined

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[–] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.ml 36 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Unfettered Capitalism breeds emshitification.

Why build and keep a great product when shareholders will always push for more growth and higher revenue. Even if that means laying off your best devs and pissing off users.

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[–] Coeus@coeus.sbs 34 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] smoll_pp_operator@vlemmy.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Seriously. They expect 30% growth? They can afford a few salaries.

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[–] jmondi@programming.dev 28 points 2 years ago (15 children)

I only still have a plex server running for audiobook support with the app Prologue. Everything else is happy in Jellyfin and and has been rock solid. Plex went way to corporate and it creeped me out.

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[–] banksymimosa@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Well they also spent the past 10 years building 80% stuff we never wanted

[–] TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And forcing logins to go through their centralized servers.

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[–] capital@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Shit. I'd have moved to Jellyfin already if they had an Apple TV client. If they go under I might have to get a 2nd set top box just to run JF.

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[–] screwtape@crystals.rest 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Wasn't even aware that Plex was still around. Swapped to Jellyfin years ago.

[–] emi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 years ago

Jellyfin's the way to go IMO, screw Plex and their constant BS.

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[–] Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

As of January, the company had 175 employees, and its revenue was in the double-digit millions.

And yet, it is not enough. Perhaps the lesson is to NOT take that VC money if you want your company to survive.

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[–] ItsaB3AR@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wow, it’s almost like those free channels the put all over my Plex that nobody wants was was a bad investment. Still love Plex as a service but I find it hard to see any value in FAST.

[–] russianagent@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (10 children)
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[–] Protegee9850@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The evil clone of XBMC is finally in its death throes (yes I’m still bitter about that). No worry, Jellyfin is better.

[–] PoppinKREAM@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

XBMC

Wow that takes me back lol

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[–] hoodlem@hoodlem.me 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This doesn’t surprise me. The “features” that keep being added to Plex drive me nuts. I just want to be able to browse and watch from my own library.

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[–] gnuslashdhruv@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

As a long-time Jellyfin user, I've never really understood how Plex makes money providing a handful of additional features over the FOSS alternative.

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[–] Hizeh@hizeh.com 9 points 2 years ago (17 children)

Plex has been going downhill for a bit now. FAST is killing it.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure how streaming compares to your own curated content. I mean sure in overall convenience for the average person FAST wins, but that's not the core audience for Plex. If they're competing with FAST then it would mean there was a major shift in it's users and I don't think it has. Nobody who's enjoyed having a NAS full of on demand content (and invested time and hardware) will just chuck it and go "ah yes streaming random stuff with ads was better after all".

If you ask me, Plex should take a hard look at what Emby and Jellyfin are doing right because that's their main competition. I understand they have to make money but locking everything behind their remote server is fundamentally flawed when I can't access a server sitting two feet away from me without a major detour over the internet. They should have integrated with existing solutions like Authelia, reverse proxies and Talescale not piss against the wind.

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[–] AES@lemmy.ronsmans.eu 8 points 2 years ago

Great, let them burn. I am a plexpass lifetime sub, but switched to Jelly. Opensource for the win.

[–] H2iK@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Just curious, for everyone saying they switched to jellyfin, were you using the free version of plex?

[–] SquiffSquiff@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

I had a Plex subscription and switched to Jellyfin. Same reasons as everyone else- it was all about Plex's content and recommendations running on my equipment when the whole point for me was to have something with only my own content.

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[–] CaldeiraG@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Well, it's pretty unsurprising considering all companies are doing the same.

I've given a chance to Jellyfin but it's really frustating how it simply refused to play video files without any descriptive error logs. I think it mostly doesn't work properly on HEVC files (I think Edge is the only browser that properly supports x265) and my Android TV also doesn't play the damn thing.

Also adding that video files from the same release (which assumed are the same encoder), they either work perfectly or just refuse to work :(

I do not pay for Plex but I considered in the past getting a lifetime sub x)

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago

I hated using Plex. They make you suffer unless you pay way too much for what the service is worth. Jellyfin has been a far more pleasant experience.

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