This bit seems relevant, given that Ukraine's stated intention has always been reclaiming their own land:
The overall goal of the incursion is not immediately clear. Conflict analysts have suggested that Ukraine may be trying to alleviate some pressure on its forces elsewhere along the sprawling front line, gain leverage for potential territorial negotiations with Russia, or even just humiliate Moscow and boost morale in Kyiv.
That, or “reclaiming their own land” was a bit more expansive than we all realized /s
Technically Earth is the native land of all Ukrainians.
They're doing all three of those, and also may be effectively flanking the Kremlin's defense along that part of the front.
I've heard Kursk has the gas pipeline to Europe.
Had.
The Ukrainians overran it and disabled it. It won't be working for a very long time.
Good. Fuck Hungary, and one up for the climate change.
Ukraine doing more for the EU than the entire EU parliament.
So... Ukraine is capturing Russia as fast as Russia initially expected to capture Ukraine.
It would be absolutely hilarious, if the whole thing wasn't so sad. Nevertheless, it's a welcome change of direction in this war and shows what a determined country and army can do against such a big aggressor.
I just hope it actually changes something in the end. Let's hope Putler meets his window to fall out of soon.
Slava Ukraini
Heroyam Slava 🇺🇦
Zelenskyy went from being a comedian to clowning on Putin in only a few years.
Literally the "best defence is a good offence" case
I was watching an old documentary about ww2. When France declared war on Germany they just sat on there border watching them. Some British politician or general or something was there and asked why they didn't shoot them. They said "they aren't bothering us so we don't bother them". They made one offence at the start of the war when Germany's western flank was entirely exposed (it was also the only French offence of the entire war) they went about 100m then came back.
Then Germany attacked somewhere else and they folded.
Its actually amazing how much of a cluster fuck the start of ww2 was. Bringing back horses after inventing the tank 20 years before and using it ti win ww1 levels of intelligence.
Its actually amazing how much of a cluster fuck the start of ww2 was. Bringing back horses after inventing the tank 20 years before and using it ti win ww1 levels of intelligence.
This is asinine. Horses were extremely useful in WWII. Try watching less Hollywood movies.
One of the reasons Germans were so successful in their "lightning warfare" - they used horses which simplified logistics tremendously. A truck is no good if you don't have fuel, and fuel supplies have been cut. A horse can just eat grass and drink water.
You know what's extremely useful than horse in WW2? Imperial Japanese Army knocking on your door with soldiers on bicycle.
These are different applications.
And I wasn't going to argue against bicycles having been extremely useful.
Logistics is king folks, remember that.
I'm sure access to Western intelligence doesn't hurt either.
And having competent generals.
Even as we speak, one of the few good and well respected Russian generals who dared speak out at the poor leadership of the general staff, had been arrested for supposed fraud. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-arrested-general-ivan-popov-fraud-d8c4d6a7d447ff801b3f15bc540f77b6
I approve. The more idiots are in charge wasting what little offensive capabilities Russia has left the better for Ukraine.
Is there a list of more competent people, I mean fraudsters? Russian authorities can sure need some anonymous tips, right?
I forget who said it, but an American general once said "Amateurs discuss tactics; professionals discuss logistics."
Here's to Ukraine becoming the capital of the larger Ukrainian Federation that will be needed after the fall of Russia.
I mean, fuck Putin, but don't delude yourself that this will get easier
Why in the world would you want to create a new iteration of the same shit?
What do you mean? Ukraine is not Russia. The corruption of Ukraine is from Putler placed politicians.
I think the point is no one really wants any country to have that much territory it just causes problems, especially when large parts of it are not really productive. It just results in a very large population and an enormous burden on the government.
Is this the timeline where Ukraine kills Putin and puts his head on a Pike? Find out next time on dragon ball z!
What did the fish do to deserve that?
It knows what it did
Maybe they should just swap countries and be done with it.
I still wonder what their main objective is
To disperse the army from the northeastern fronts. Russia is now forced to defend the entire border and cannot focus their attacks on their previous objectives.
This is a good move.
That, and they can potentially dismantle staging areas for planes and other infrastructure (in this case gas pipeline).
Both of those, and they force engagements with Russia to force them to throw men and materiel at it, further depleting Russian stockpiles.
Leverage for negotiations.
Their gains would be much less for the same expense, were they in areas where Russia expects to be attacked.
It's the same pattern with bullies - they are always surprised when the victim is no longer forbidden to hit everywhere and not only where the bully took initiative.
Worked in Artsakh in 90's too against Soviet and Azeri forces. Sadly the last few years (or two decades) have undone this largely.
But just like in Artsakh, they shouldn't agree to any frozen status, or it will end just like for Artsakh. They should just keep advancing until Russia does something to guarantee their security.
In my completely unresearched opinion?
"We just kept advancing, and it just kept working".
I hope its not just for negotiating.
I hope by breaking the Russian front, they have created openings that they can now exploit to tear down Russian defenses.
Russia has created a really difficult frontal defense thats many layers of mine fields and defensive positions interlaced. But now their sides and backs are exposed and it's much easier for Ukraine to out flank the defense and unseat Russian defenses.
So sad Vlad
Does Ukraine get an exception from the general advice against invading Russia? Winter is coming. But they kinda have some advantages over prior attempts.
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