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https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2019-05-10/extinct-bird-re-evolved-itself-back-into-existence-on-island-in-seychelles

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[-] HollowNaught@lemmy.world 54 points 2 months ago

I knew a guy when we were both in final year of a biomed bachelor. He was a creationist

Don't know how he went that long without finding something that challenges that viewpoint

[-] ReplicantBatty@lemmy.one 58 points 2 months ago

I'm sure he found a shitload of stuff that challenged that viewpoint.

...and then proceeded to completely ignore it

[-] HollowNaught@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

The sheer aptitude they had for ignoring information is commendable

They should become a politician

[-] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Like what kind? Believing in higher powers doesn't have to mean that you don't belive in evolution/natural adaptation taking place over time.

If it was "God made everything in a few earth days and nothing changed" then yeah I feel you

[-] tyler@programming.dev 17 points 2 months ago

Creationists believe the first. For example I’m Christian, but not a moron, so I don’t believe in creationism.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 2 months ago

They specifically said he was a creationist though. Not just that he believed in a higher power.

[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 months ago

As long as the teacher understands their own lesson from the students work it doesn’t matter that the students doesn’t actually grasp what its about

[-] HollowNaught@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I mean, I'm in a medical course so... yes it does matter that students understand a fundamental concept all life is based on?

[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Of course, i am not disputing that and it also matters to me. But i don’t believe the system of education allows a teacher to accurately assess such without putting a great amount of personalization in for every student.

The skills required to pass education are not the same as those to get a good understanding and as a side effect we often have people severely lacking understanding biased by credentials in critical positions.

Large language models have pretty much proven this by being able to ace exams better then any human while being unable to reason or understand.

Are teachers even allowed to fail a student who has excellent scores on the argument they hold beliefs that are inconsistent with understanding the content matter?

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Two sets of facts for different purposes. Just like how we know that the stars are only a few miles away, but for the purpose of science they are millions of miles away. (/minitrue)

[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 25 points 2 months ago

Truthers: birds aren't real in the first place

[-] expatriado@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

revolving dove

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago

bad strategy considering it went extinct in the first place

[-] Shou@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Sounds like it wasn't his time yet.

[-] anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The sinking of your habitat can do that to you, otherwise it has a good evolutionary niche.
Also, the flying ancestors are still around, so if anything happens they can come back in another 20 000 years.

edit: spelling

[-] Tilgare@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

It went extinct because the sea levels rose and the island it inhabits was entirely under water. Honestly, we're headed that direction - they might be in trouble again in relatively quick order.

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That must be one determined bird. One does not simply defy evolution.

[-] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

One does not simply defy evolution.

It didn't.

It evolved to be flightless because it was useless on an island with no predators, it drowned when the sea levels rose and covered the island, its closest relative (from whose ancestor it had evolved) flew back to the island once the sea levels fell, it evolved to be flightless because it was useless on an island with no predators.

It's evolution all the way down.

[-] pigup@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

This is a particularly unhinged image. Fantastic.

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 7 points 2 months ago

"Aldabra went under the sea and everything was gone," Julian Hume, paleontologist and author of the study, said in a press release from the Natural History Museum in London. "There was an almost complete turn over in the fauna. Everything … went extinct. Yet as the Aldabra rail still lives on today, something must have happened for it to have returned."

It swam.

[-] finickydesert@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

8 parallel universes ahead of us

[-] jezza@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Don't birds float?

[-] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago

No you are confusing them with witches

[-] rescue_toaster@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

Just ducks.

[-] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 months ago

Even if they could float, and reach the coast, they'd have immediately gone extinct due to not being adapted to having predators and being outcompeted by their flying relatives.