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It is no secret that prolonged exposure to loud sound is highly damaging to our hearing. Listening to loud music is one of the common factors leading to degraded hearing ability and tinnitus, and is deeply unhealthy.

At the same time, such level of noise negatively impacts the quality of sound perception, which degrades the musical side of the musical performance.

In what seems to be the echoes of the so-called "loudness war", bands still stick to the idea that "the louder you blast it - the better". But it's not true. There are many other ways to energize the crowd without causing them sound damage, and I'd love to see more of those, instead of them trying to be the loudest ever.

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[-] Nougat@fedia.io 36 points 2 months ago

Allow me to piggyback on to this post:

If you ride a motorcycle, you should be wearing earplugs. It's not the engine noise, it's the wind noise, even inside a good helmet. Yes, you will still be able to use your helmet intercom/headset. I recommend the silicone ear plugs with the tiny hard plastic insert, both for comfort (because they sit very flush) and headset (I can hear my headset perfectly).

[-] sanpo@sopuli.xyz 22 points 2 months ago

Yes, you will still be able to use your helmet intercom/headset.

Earplugs will actually significantly improve your experience. It's much easier to hear everything without the constant wind noise.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 9 points 2 months ago

When I used "regular" foam earplugs, I could only really use the headset under 70MPH. With the "filtered" ones, I can use it at literally any speed.

I also bought a bag of 1000 solid silicone earplugs with string tethers, mainly to throw at my son and his musician friends playing hardcore in the basement, but also to keep some with me on the bike all the time and hand them out to anyone who needs them.

[-] Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 months ago

If I stick my watch arm out the window while driving, my watch warns me that I'm in a loud environment that could damage my hearing.

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[-] Allero@lemmy.today 4 points 2 months ago

I'm not a motorcycle driver, but doesn't it lessen your situational awareness? Genuine question.

[-] GbyBE@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

In my experience, you situational awareness is better, because all sounds are turned down, you can still hear everything, it's just not as loud. Most of these attenuate the frequencies where the wind noise is more than the rest, which also helps.

The main reason why I say your awareness is better though, is that you have less fatigue when you aren't constantly exposed to loud noise while riding, again in my experience.

The helmet you have also makes a huge difference, just like the bike. On a naked bike you'll have more wind noise, whereas on a touring bike with a large windscreen, it's mainly engine noise.

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

I second this. It's absolutely nerve wracking to have that wind blasting while riding. With ear plugs there's a feeling of calm combined with the joy of riding that can not be put into words. Damn I need to get another bike. I could use some of that in my life right now.

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[-] Hello_there@fedia.io 3 points 2 months ago

I know it's illegal to wear headphones with music while driving. Wonder if earplugs also?

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 7 points 2 months ago

It's different for motorcycles, since your head is in the wind.

As for wearing headphones while driving a car (in the US), it depends on the state, and most states have no prohibition on it.

https://www.vlaw.com/is-it-illegal-to-wear-headphones-while-driving/

Not a lot of information about earplugs, but I did find this:

https://www.thewisedrive.com/driving-with-earplugs/

I can definitely see where wearing earplugs while driving a car could be problematic, because you can roll the windows up, and I would expect that your ability to hear emergency vehicles would be hampered while wearing earplugs in a closed car.

On the other hand, hearing impaired people - including those who are wholly deaf - drive legally all the time, so I'm not entirely sure where earplugs would land.

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[-] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

I'm feeling this one today. I had to ride about 25 miles to an appointment this morning, but as I pulled onto the main road, a 70 mph dual carriageway, I realised that I had forgotten my earplugs. It's been about an hour, and my ears still don't feel right.

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[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Could not agree more. I love the idea of live music but in practice it’s a miserable experience unless you’ve already suffered significant hearing loss.

Maybe someday people will stop putting up with this and I’ll be able to enjoy it but this idea seems a long way away.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago

I'd sooooo much love to go to concerts more once they are quieter!

This would make it so so much of a better experience

[-] Thassodar@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm a music producer and there is/was a "Loudness War" and several people say loud won. To clarify: for your tracks to qualify when uploading them to Spotify I believe they have to be a minimum of -10 LUFS. I'm not going to pretend that I know what a LUFS is fully, but I have software to tell me where my LUFS is at. If you don't hit at least -10 LUFS they will fake it for you, with usually terrible results.

So now all producers are mixing to -10 LUFS and higher (-8 or -9), all for the sake of possibly getting radio play in the future, although not all music sounds good when mixed so damn loudly. I know this is tangentially related but

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[-] MorkofOrk@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

I'm taking live sound classes at my community college right now and we talked about this yesterday. The biggest issue with a large venue packed with people is the noise floor is very high. For instance if the crowd is 90db, then you've only got 10-20db of headroom to work with. 90db is already enough to cause hearing damage after 8 hours, and it gets exponentially worse with just a few db more, by 100 you can only safely be in that for 2 hours and that is generally the ideal loudness for that kind of venue. Of course since the engineers probably have hearing loss, they tend to raise it even higher to 110 which is loud enough to still cause damage over time even with regular earbuds unfortunately. So unless you can have a quiet crowd there is nothing you can do about needing ear protection, I recommend hanging by the engineer booth because they tend to be just far enough away to comfortably hear everything around 90db because they generally can't use earbuds while actively mixing.

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[-] Canopyflyer@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Protect your hearing.

I did not and today, at the age of 54, I cannot hear above 13khz when I used to be able to hear above 20khz. Part of that is age, but most of it is from not using hearing protection at concerts and other activities where I should have been using it.

Any constant noise above 80db will damage your hearing. 80db is a LOT quieter than you think it is.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 9 points 2 months ago

I absolutely do wear earplugs when going there. People find it weird, but we'll see who's gonna hear my laughter in a few years.

[-] WHYAREWEALLCAPS@fedia.io 3 points 2 months ago

most of it is from not using hearing protection at concerts and other activities where I should have been using it.

You mean like firing a pistol in an elevator?

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[-] takeheart@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Went to a local rock concert once. Had to go into the middle of the crowd to fetch a friend and alert him of something that had happened. The music was unbearably loud for me. Noticed that virtually everyone was wearing ear plugs.

Found it absurd. Why not lower the volume instead and have people forego the plugs? Less noise pollution in the local area too. After the concert was over I asked some participants about it. Everyone claimed they liked the loudness or that it was necessary somehow. My impression: they liked to keep up with the appearances of being hardcore, it being for tough folks. But they didn't want the actual hearing damage.

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Found it absurd. Why not lower the volume instead and have people forego the plugs?

Some people like to be able to feel the music. I have been at music concerts with deaf people who were enjoying the shit out of it.

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[-] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago

Yeah this desire for extremes is what drives people into very absurd situations overall

[-] superkret@feddit.org 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I volunteer at a non-profit concert venue.
The reason I fell in love with it in the first place was that you could go to a rock concert there, stand right in front of the stage, and talk to the person next to you.
Now I know why: They enforce a hard 100dB limit, and the entire room is covered in sound-dampening foam.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 4 points 2 months ago

Wow! That's great to know :)

What is the goal of the nonprofit, if I may ask? Just mass entertaining, or something more complex?

[-] superkret@feddit.org 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Providing a non-commercial space for cultural events to people of limited means.
Also, providing a stage for new artists that aren't already well-established.
A rock concert with 3 bands and a DJ will cost 5-7€ at the door, a beer costs 1,50€. But there's also art exhibits, poetry slams, sharing flea markets (take what you need, give what you can), movie nights and fire shows.
This is only possible because 15 members spend a lot of time maintaining it, and during an evening, up to 20 volunteers work the bar and the door, all without payment.

Honestly, I've never seen a place like this anywhere else, that's why I decided to join and invest a lot of my free time there.
There's an outdoor area, too:

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago

Nice!

Sounds like a nice social space overall :)

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 12 points 2 months ago

I literally take earplugs with me wherever i go. They're in all my vehicles and all my bags.

Foam earplugs are cheap—there's no reason not to.

[-] prof@infosec.pub 3 points 2 months ago

Going to concerts with earplugs is great.

Even if the music is loud I can always hear the people next to me and the music still sounds good.

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[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

WHAT????

(as said by a 40 year old who spent his teens and 20s next to a giant 30 foot tall speaker every week at a concert club. And I mean RIGHT next to it. During crowded concerts I was literally smooshed against it. )

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 4 points 2 months ago
[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 months ago

It's gotten to the point that I just keep ear plugs on me at all times. Concerts, movie theaters, loud family gatherings, whatever. If shit's too crazy I pop them in. I only wish I started this before suffering permanent hearing loss. I can no longer experience silence.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Even after hearing loss ….. it took my family all too long to figure out why my grandmother couldn’t hear despite hearing aids. It turns out a combination of cheap hearing aids and loud relatives were also painfully loud for her so she would turn them off

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[-] kikutwo@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

It's the same at movie theaters. I wear earbuds not plugged in to a source just to reduce the sound level at a movie lately.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago

Also true. Seriously, we need quieter theaters as well. There's no need to bombard our ears!

[-] RBWells@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

I wear the acoustic earplugs to concerts now, or at festivals stay far from the speakers. But I'm not sure. Maybe yes if the acoustics allowed for the sound to be more evenly distributed over the crowd.

Those earplugs made for concerts are great, they literally turn down the volume but the music sounds good not muted.

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[-] JeSuisUnHombre@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

I understand the point and have definitely thought similar BUT, I like being able to feel the low end which can't happen at low volume.

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[-] Chickenslippers@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

On the alternate I've been to concerts where you just couldn't hear the band playing unless you pressed into everyone at the front. Was a terrible experience and felt like I wasted my money. I'm a big fan of putting in ear plugs, eating an edible and then riding out the vibrations. I agree there must be a good middle ground but I would rather it too loud with ear pro than too quiet.

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[-] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Last concert I brought ear plugs for the first time and still heard the music perfectly fine. They were made for this exact purpose to be fair, but I'm never going without again. There seems to be a history of deafness in my family so might as well protect what's left of my hearing while I can. I felt a little self-conscious, but at least I wasn't the only one, so maybe the idea is becoming less controversial?

But still, I disagree with you (so going to up vote lol). I think I prefer they stay loud but we just encourage people to wear ear plugs. That way, when I sit as far back as I did this last time, it still feels like I'm right there in the middle of it.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 4 points 2 months ago

I don't fully grasp why would one advocate for loud music AND earplugs. Wouldn't it make sense to just turn volume down? :D

[-] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

So if I'm sitting in a farther seat I can hear it well but if I'm in a closer seat I can wear ear plugs. But maybe that's my own unpopular opinion lol.

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[-] ElderReflections@fedia.io 6 points 2 months ago

The counter argument is that you get to decide where you stand, close and damagingly loud, or safe and far away, or anywhere in between. Except for the last one I went to, in a tiny basement (max 15 people) blasting metal inches away from my face

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[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

Downvoted for popular opinion...

I totally agree... I went to a club once without earplugs and it was painful. Concerts, shows and clubs I bring earplugs and I don't miss a thing.

[-] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 3 points 2 months ago

It's even worse when you are in a closed space... I went this year to a concert unprepared (in closed space) without my earplugs and ouchhh, I thought I had lost some hearing due to the strong temporary ringing (I still have some doubts whether my hearing is ok). Same with clubs, I dont go often but I might start bringing my earplugs there too

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[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Quiet concerts will probably be a thing if a big artist fronts it. Could be a cool concept

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[-] Hello_there@fedia.io 2 points 2 months ago

This happens with kids concerts too...

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[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Where are you, OP?

I'd say in the UK, venues and festivals seem to be pretty good at choosing an appropriate volume these days

Unfortunately I grew up before that was the case and I can pinpoint a few specific gigs at the Astoria in London and some silly nights out in Liverpool that kickstarted the tinnitus I have today

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