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Lemmy: bOth PArTiES ARE zIoniSt gEnociDERS!
To hear the tankies on Lemmy:
OnLy DEmoCraTs aRe ZiOnisT GeNOCiderS! VotE fOr RepUBLicaNs!
The amount of intellectual dishonesty I hear out of tankies is insane. The second you call them out, they ban you and delete your comments.
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What leftist has suggested voting for Trump? Ever?
Literally anyone holding Harris's feet to the fire right now of all moments, when the outcome of the election depends on it. You win the election first, you moderate your demands until then, and then you raise the volume on your calls for change.
Because only one of those two candidates has quite literally suggested arresting and deporting ALL protesters. Undermining the only person who can prevent him from getting to the office that would enable that shit is just as bad if not worse than actually just quietly voting for him.
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Jesus, I've had this argument recently. Pointless, they are just on some crusade.
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Biden says the same stuff as Kamala...
I'm sure she'll handle it better than Biden, and absolutely better than trump would.
But I just don't think she'll do enough, which is disappointing because "enough" is just cutting off aid money and weapons sales until they stop actively committing a genocide.
If they need aid to defend against Lebanon or Iran in an actual war, maybe they should stop committing a genocide at the same time?
Really seems like if Israel was actually concerned with defense, they wouldn't spend so much time bombing refugees.
cutting off aid money and weapons sales
I don't understand this line of thinking.
First, Israel doesn't need top-tier modern weapons to attack a defenseless civilian population. If Israel's goal was outright genocide as it's being put, they could buy mid-tier weapons from any manufacturer for that purpose.
Second, if the US stops selling US-grade weapons to Israel, that will signal to the region that Israel is open to military attacks, which might result in a larger scale multi-country war that would dwarf the Gaza conflict.
Those that care about the lives of innocent civilians in the region should prefer that the weapons sold to Israel come with Western strings attached and conditions as part of the weapons agreements, and should also care that the region doesn't descend into another 1960s-70s war era but with more modern and powerful weapons.
See on US weapons:
The U.S. expects every country receiving its military assistance to use it "in full compliance with international humanitarian law and the laws of war, and Israel is no exception," State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller told a news briefing on Monday.
Enforcing the Western weapons rules is politically complex, but not having any rules on those weapons would only embolden Israel's operation in Gaza. I hope people around here will come to understand that every time you call for the US to pull out of weapon deals in Israel, what you are advocating for is to remove the weapons restrictions the West imposes on Israel.
Israeli has been a belligerent country who has not stopped terrorizing their neighbors since their formation. Zionists created Israel through a campaign of terror against British mandate Palestine and continue it to this day against Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon, and Iran.
Why are we supporting a country who does not want peace with their neighbors? They claim to be defending themselves by preemptively attacking any country that so much sneezes on them. Israel has even attacked the United States on many occasions.
If they want to be belligerent bullies in the region, they should have to do it on their own without dragging the US and it's allies into yet another middle eastern conflict.
They even assassinated the leader Hamas while they were negotiating a ceasefire. Does that sound like a peaceful country?
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Israel primarily needs bombs, and lots of them. No other country could provide Israel with bombs and planes on the scale that the US currently supplies them. A US arms embargo would force Israel to use up its current stockpiles, and could seriously affect their war effort.
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Israel has initiated all of the recent military strikes in Iran, Syria, and Lebanon and despite this, none of Israel's neighbors, not even Iran, want escalation to a full scale conflict. The idea that they would all suddenly attack Israel following a US arms embargo is sheer fantasy.
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The US State department is imposing restrictions on Israel's use of US weaponry? Uh, since when? They are not currently imposing any restrictions, even though they should be under the Leahy Laws, so imposing an embargo would not change Israel's behavior in this regard whatsoever. All this talk of being "in compliance with international humanitarian law" when it comes to Israel is a total PR farce.
Finally someone on here is actually talking about the complexities that are actually present and not just “MURDER IS BAD, DONT GIVE MURDERER GUN”
It is not just money and sale of weapons. US has been using veto power in support of Israel. Out of 89 uses of veto in the security council about 45 have been in support of Israel. US vetoed the Dec 8 resolution calling for a humanitarian aid. Givven how israel is conducting its war, how is own ministers are calling for murder and the reports from UN observers it is boggling to my mind how you can still have doubts and say "if they wanted to commit genocide". The restrictions you are so adamant will save the Palestinian people are Flagrantly being disregarded by Israel and the US has in it's own report said that Israel's use of US weapons is inconsistent with humanitarian law, but since the US lacks specific evidence of specific weapons bring used so Israel is being given the benefit of the doubt. This is so bafflingto me, you don't give benefit of the doubt to the person who is killing, you give it to the person being killed.
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can you guys do me a favor real quick? I want to all google the word fascism, and do a little bit of precursory study into what the nazi fascist regime was like. Think about it for a few days.
And then come back and tell me that the democratic party is EQUAL to or WORSE than the republican party.
Trump literally fired chris krebs after he stated that the election was "the most secure in history" and then his personal attorney said he should "get taken out and shot at dawn"
he fired the guy heading the FBI over the russia election interference which he wasn't even found to be responsible for? Though a few of his campaign members were, and they were served with felony sentences for that one. He LITERALLY LIES ABOUT THIS ENTIRE THING REPEATEDLY.
literally all the democrats are doing is supporting a country who aligns with US values. That's objectively not fascism, and if you think it's fascism, you should probably consider not using the internet anymore. Maybe move to russia and see how "nice" it is over there.
Media: both sides are literally the same
At the end of the day israel is openly fucking bombing humanitarian aid at this point and we all know neither is gonna stop them when elected. The ceasefire bullshit is getting as old as the „two state solution”
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But I thought bOtH sIdEs ArE jUsT aS bAd.
Where are we supposed to deport American citizens to, exactly?
At the time he was saying to Gaza. He was saying to take Americans citizens who disagree with murdering innocent's, and put them in the place the innocent's are being murdered. As if that somehow would teach them something... All it would do is murder the Americans.
Edit: it was another one of those times he was showing how anti America he was
It's a classic dog whistle. He knows exactly what he's saying. He's just disguised it to appear so stupid that no one will hold him accountable for it.
WISCONSIN.
No please I'll be good
No one is criticizing Harris stance on the war. It's her promise to continue the unconditional support of Israel that's the problem.
Has she promised to stop sending bombs?
She promised to not stop.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/harris-walz-hold-first-joint-network-tv-interview-cnn-2024-08-29/
Has the other dickwart?
Don't think so either. Seems the US State is dedicated to genocide and it is disrespectful to pretend otherwise.
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Appreciate the effort but this has too many words for a braindead felon-supporting fascist.
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