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Why is the community for Honkai Star Rail and Genshin Impact like this? (lemmy.world)

submitted 3 months ago by Buttflapper@lemmy.world to c/games@lemmy.world

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I can't be the only one who finds this stuff Just the slightest bit revolting, right? Like ... Wow. I'm at a loss for words

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[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 91 points 3 months ago

This is a big reason why inceldom has risen imo. Not because of the content, but because of groups of men all reinforcing this behavior.

Now, I won't lie, roleplay or imagination is one thing, but going online and normalizing this behavior in public is a very very different. Thing, and changes and normalizes that it's okay to do around real women. Thoughts and behaviors change, and then they wonder why real actual women want nothing to do with them.

In essence, hey if impregnation is your kink, you do you. You talk that way in public? Pretty weird bro.

[-] Buttflapper@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

This is a big reason why inceldom has risen imo

I haven't seen it nearly this bad until this year. This is the worst year I've ever seen for it, and Hoyo games are by far the worst

hey if impregnation is your kink, you do you

It seems like it's worse than that. I've seen people making extremely inappropriate comments about young characters. For example in Zenless Zone Zero subreddit, there are people that post pictures of the young characters that look like children, Piper and a few others that I don't recall off the top of my head. But they are half naked and fan art of them in extremely suggestive positions. Borderline pedophilia but it's a made up fictional character so they claim it doesn't count and it's perfectly fine. Such a strange view on reality

[-] Jarix@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

There IS a difference between reality and fantasy. We see it all the time.

There is an actual fetish for consesual non consent aka rape fantasy/roleplay. If we allow that people routinely engage in fake rape, then why are you surprised if anything else is sexualized. People are weird.

But is it not just as disturbing to you when people glorify violence and gore such as the Saw franchise?

I do not understand the attraction to these things either, but I dont think its healthy to pretend that reality and fantasy cant be separated.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 11 points 3 months ago

and that's the real issue I see, is that in inceldom, the line between fantasy and reality is so blurred that they don't understand the social norms. If r*pe kink is your thing, and your partner and you like to do it, I think that's fine. personally I don't like it, but it's you in your private home and it's your thing, I'm not going to be the one to say not to.

The key though is that there's a hard line between fantasy and reality, and if you start thinking that real, live women want that, that 's a huge red line you crossed, and same with most other things.

Idk, like you said people are weird, and we desperately try to fit them into boxes, and when it comes to sex that's nearly impossible. The key is knowing that what you're into at home is very different than what you do to real people. I'm rambling a bit, but consent is really the thing. Real people need to consent, unlike online fantasies.

[-] Poayjay@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

Not to disagree with anything you’re saying, but I hate the phrase “borderline pedophillia.” Either they’re sexualizing children or not. It’s like saying “non-consensual sex.” There’s no such thing. It’s rape or consensual sex.

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[-] Aielman15@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

I haven’t seen it nearly this bad until this year. This is the worst year I’ve ever seen for it, and Hoyo games are by far the worst

Congrats for lasting this far. I quit the anime world years ago when it became clear that that shit was becoming the norm, and 95% of products specifically catered to that demographic.

[-] Krackalot@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 months ago

This, by far, was the biggest factor for me quitting anime, but also, it hasn't evolved or changed at all since the 2000s. It's all the same tired tropes and stereotypes. Throw in a few dashes of misogyny and bam, top anime apparently.

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[-] Glide@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 months ago

Not because of the content, but because of groups of men all reinforcing this behavior.

I genuinely know more women than men that act like this. I can't say you're entirely wrong about the problems with normalizing behaviour and the like, but simplifying it to "men are disgusting and know nothing of 'real, actual women" when real, actual women are sometimes equally disgusting is, well concerning.

This particular brand of behaviour is usually about rejection of social norms far more than it is ever about the objectification of women. People who have been rejected by society like to take back the power by rejecting the norms of that society.

[-] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago

That's not what incels are but go off

[-] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 79 points 3 months ago

Are you really surprised these gachas attract tons of horny teenage coomers with waifu baiting as a business model?

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[-] missingno@fedia.io 73 points 3 months ago

Games that are in the business of selling anime girls end up attracting a certain demographic. And as the developers know who their audience is and double down on catering to that crowd, this kind of behavior becomes increasingly normalized over time.

[-] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Exhibit A: the hilariously horny official trailer for Jane Doe

[-] CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 months ago

There are feet in the camera's face within... eight seconds. I'm surprised, but I can't say I'm shocked.

Aside from that, it is a curious decision to make the first person camera a woman. I thought their target audience would be young men? It's certainly a larger potential audience than lesbians, although hey, not like I mind that choice ;3

[-] brb@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago

Thanks I just busted to this

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[-] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 49 points 3 months ago

Man, am I glad I grew up with less horny games. Like Tomb raider, Metroid or Shantae.

The real reason is probably that we said comparable stuff, just as whispers and not written in an anonymous forum. And we weren't even egged on by forum culture or our games to be as horny as possible, the former drives engagement while the ladder drives sales.

[-] papertowels@lemmy.one 16 points 3 months ago

I was going to say, there were definitely horny games but you wouldn't talk about them in the open.

Honestly genshin and honkai aren't even that bad. You want a bad one, look at nikke. Ass and titties jiggle physics: the game.

[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

I would argue Shantae is definitely horny, the games have some innuendo jokes specially the DSi one.

[-] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah, I was just pulling your leg. Being a goofy goober. Why would you read this very specific list of games and think I was earnest?

Tomb raider had infinitely many rumours about a nude-cheat because boys were so thirsting about Lara Croft, while Metroid and Shantae reward fast playthroughs with bikini pics.

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[-] shasta@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago

Do they hit people with the ladder if they don't buy?

[-] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago

Some do it just to meme or be funny. Especially ones that make these kinds of posts.

The ones you really have to worry about are the ones that get mad when you mention something about a character that is not accurate. They will publicly execute you. Worry about those ones.

[-] Dindonmasker@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago

I don't know the context of the meme but i guess she doesn't look like that in the game or something? They did their waifu dirty? These jokes seem quite harmless and light.

[-] PunchingWood@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

That's the thing, the whole waifu crap.

Like people talk about it as if they're real persons and treat them as such. It's borderline psychotic.

[-] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

The thing abaout "waifu culture" is that most people do not actually think or act like fictional anime characters are real people. They do it to troll, or be funny, or act stupid, whatever. Like circlejerk subreddits or other online boards where there is some joke that gets perpetuated that everyone in the community thinks is hilarious but everyone outside thinks is stupid.

Yes, there are a tiny few that do, but not a significant number of people actually think that way.

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[-] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

People went anonymous online and lost all shame.

[-] _Sprite@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago

Average anime sub behavior

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago

Average anime community

It's because these games sell their characters on sex appeal

[-] Eggyhead@fedia.io 29 points 3 months ago

I would guess the absurdity is the point. People trying to make each other laugh. If it bothers you, you don’t need to be there.

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[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No? Welcome to gachas, don't even pretend girls don't want to be put on the wall by their daddies, there are plenty of thirsty traps with the dudes on TikTok.

These are games made to sell you waifus and husbandus, they are appealing by design. I recommend you to watch the newest Jane Doe trailer on the Zenless channel, this is the target demographic.

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[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 27 points 3 months ago

Fucking weebs.

[-] whereBeWaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 3 months ago

I get an extreme amount of secondhand embarassment reading these comments don't get me wrong but at the end of the day its just some people doing some weird jokes on the internet. Even if the things they say are their actual worldview nearly everyone on the internet lacks the influence in the real world to enforce their worldviews to the masses so what does it matter if they say such stuff on the part of the internet where their kind of people usually hang out. I'd say live and let live in this case. No need to hate your fellow humans just because they hold different opinions than the popular ones or the ones you hold.

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[-] anyhow2503@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

This type of behaviour is neither new, nor actively harmful. There's really nothing you, I or anyone else can do to stop it, so the only remaining choice is to ignore it and not post screenshots in different communities where people agree with you.

[-] Summzashi@lemmy.one 20 points 3 months ago

Jus your standard weebs

[-] aciDC14@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Horny men will be horny. (And women)

[-] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 3 months ago

(And fish)

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 months ago

At first, I thought this was a screenshot from Lemmy and thought what the hell. Then I saw that it's Reddit and all my questions got answered. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[-] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

[-] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 14 points 3 months ago

Because they are 14?

[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 14 points 3 months ago

Why not? This is the internet let people say shit

[-] EABOD25@lemm.ee 13 points 3 months ago

You ever had that cringy feeling that you can feel in the back of your neck? That's where I'm at

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

IMO any content that idolizes immature bodies is bound to attract the worst human beings possible, by design.

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

...have you played a Hoyoverse game? They have something for everybody. Femboy, straight, furry, sharks, Ace, we've have it all!

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Man, if I had any illusions about Lemmy being filled with literal children, this thread would clear them right up. Sexual objectification is gross and it does have consequences, y'all.