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Nearly half of Republicans say they won't accept the results of the presidential election if their candidate loses, and some of them say they would "take action to overturn" the results, according to data released Tuesday.

About a quarter of Democrats said they wouldn't accept the results if their candidate loses, and fewer Democrats than Republicans said they would "take action to overturn" the results.

The nonpartisan World Justice Project, which keeps an index of how strong the rule of law is in more than 100 countries, gathered the data as part of a larger study. The poll was conducted through online interviews with 1,046 American households between June 10 and June 18.


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[-] teamevil@lemmy.world 147 points 2 days ago

That's called treason and should be fully treated as such

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 54 points 2 days ago

Seriously. Remember that whole, "the tree of democracy is watered by the blood of tyrants" line? That's what this refers to. Democracy is a peace treaty. People lament that democracy does not produce the ideal policy outcomes they would like, or even always the outcomes that the majority would like. But that really isn't the real point of democracy. The real purpose of democracy is as an alternative to civil war. We all agree to accept elections and their results. This gives people a means to enact change in society without resorting to violence. People will always want to enact change in the world. And if you do not give them a peaceful means to do so, they will turn to violence. Democracy generally works because it's actually usually a lot easier to make change in a democratic system than it would be to enact change through violent conflict. If you have enough of the population behind you to win an all-out civil war, you likely don't need to start a civil war in the first place. Starting a civil war to enact policy goals is almost always a very bad idea. If you don't have enough of the electorate behind you to enact your goals democratically, you will be very unlikely to have enough people willing to fight and die with you in order to triumph in a civil war.

Sometimes in democracies, a group of people forgets this fact. They come to realize their views are an increasing minority and will have zero success in the future. This is what happened in the US Civil War. The South saw the writing on the wall. They realized that slavery was becoming ever-more unpopular, and that every year that passed, more and more of the population recognized it for the moral abomination that it was. The election of Lincoln made it clear that their long-term success in protecting slavery through democratic means was doomed. And so, they turned to violence.

It's one of those harsh facts that this is just something that happens from time to time in democracies. The support of Trump is based on one fundamental worldview - that white straight Christians are the natural leaders of society, and that they deserve special rights and privileges. They fundamentally do not believe in the principal that all human beings are created equal. White people, and especially white males, deserve special privileges because of their sex, skin color, and religious beliefs. In the 1860s, we had reached a point where the premise that slavery was acceptable was a politically doomed idea. Now, through changes in culture and demography, we are reaching the point where the premise that straight white Christians are the natural rulers of society is becoming politically nonviable. Trump is fundamentally a reaction to an inclusive and diverse society. And the old America that gave special privileges to people simply because of their sex, skin color, and religion is on its way out the door. We are becoming a pluralistic democracy, and that is fundamentally anathema to many people, in the same way that the end of slavery was fundamentally anathema to many people.

And if these people turn to violence? Well, so be it. The last time a group of regressives tried to overtly rebel against the government (not counting January 6th here), we had to burn Atlanta to the ground. We had to come down like the Hammer of God upon them, and grind it into their skulls saying, "we are done with your shit. Slavery is over. We will kill as many of you as necessary to end this bullshit. Give it up, continuing to fight will only make things worse for you."

We forget just how intransigent the bastards in the US South were. They were stubborn mother-fuckers. They fundamentally believed that democracy did not matter, and that their right to slavery was above democracy. It took putting a gun their head and saying, "slavery is done, and we will kill every last one of you if we have to in order to end it." THAT is what it took to end slavery. The South wasn't convinced of the error of their ways, they were given the choice between Emancipation or death.

I really, really hope that Trump is defeated resoundingly, and that this breaks the back of the modern Christian Nationalist movement. But if they actually do take up arms? Well, we've been here before. We had to turn Atlanta into a heap of ashes to stop these guys the last time they convinced themselves that God gave them more rights than other human beings. And if we have to do something similar again? So be it. There is a reason that soldiers swear an oath to defend the Constitution from enemies foreign AND domestic. Democracy is a peace treaty. We agree that we will fight each other in elections, and try to enact our will upon the world through peaceful democratic means. But when you decide that your views are more important than democracy? When you decide that elections be damned, your preferred world must be made? When you decide to roll the iron dice and take up arms against your brothers and sisters? Make no mistake. You have broken that peace treaty. And you will be put in the ground where you belong.

The correct response to, "The South will rise again!" has always been, "fine. And I will be the first to shoot your traitorous ass. And we won't be so forgiving the second time around."

[-] teft@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

And we won’t be so forgiving the second time around.

[-] ravhall@discuss.online 33 points 2 days ago

“Action” probably means more truck flags

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Now now they'll probably walk around Subway with large guns.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Subway's still in russia. Just . . y'know, sayin'.

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

All the comforts of home

[-] knobbysideup@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Mow them down this time. They want an armed 'battle', give it to them and end their nonsense.

[-] Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee 41 points 2 days ago

14% of Republicans compared to 11% of Democrats said they would "take action."

The headline is clickbait and does not accurately describe the content of the article.

I think we all expect another jan 6th insurrection but the percentages are way to close to show anything, it's probably within the margin of error.

[-] oxjox@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

The headline is clickbait and does not accurately describe the content of the article.

This could be said about the vast majority of content published online today. This is why I've been trying to minimize my internet usage. So little of it is genuine.

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago

14% of Republicans admit they would...

[-] frezik@midwest.social 14 points 2 days ago

Nah, saying you'll do something to a pollster is different than actually doing anything.

Stochastic Terrorism means that out of 1000 people, 100 of them hate an ethnic group, 10 of them hate so much it rises to the level of violent rhetoric, but only 1 actually does violence. The good news is that MAGA is becoming deflated because Trump still doesn't know what to do about Harris when his entire plan was about Biden. They'll still vote for him, but being energized enough to do violence in his name is a different matter.

I'd like to think you're right but they're more of a cult than a political party.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 2 days ago

Cults work exactly like that. Not all members are going to be equally devoted.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

If their candidate loses - not even if they think the election was manipulated. It's likely underreported but that's the chunk just itching for a fucking civil war.

[-] moon@lemmy.cafe 32 points 2 days ago

You don't get to choose to accept it or not, it's not an opinion

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 days ago

Ooh I think 2020 showed you absolutely can with zero consequences.

Or near zero consequences.

[-] Peer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago

Taking action works, as we saw in 2000 with president Gore.

[-] normalexit@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

"Action" as a verb is about as vague as you can get. Does that mean an angry Facebook post, contacting representatives, staging an event, or violently overthrowing the government?

I'm guessing it'll mostly be Facebook posts with a handful of people actually gathering in real life doing something stupid.

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 12 points 2 days ago

Oh God, I can imagine all the mobility scooters clogging up the Walmarts now.

Pure chaos.

[-] tenchiken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago

"Action" = heading to the local Wendy's and repeatedly using slurs while demanding free food and blaming the girl at the counter for their dog vanishing 15 years ago, followed by dumping an "American Girl" doll with a noose and on fire on the drive thru.

[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

That's actually much lower than I would have assumed.

It's still a big number, and 1046 interviews isn't a great view of the American public, but hell, it's at least an attempt.

[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website 9 points 2 days ago

14% of Republicans deserve to be hanged

[-] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

We can definitely beat the shit out of 14% of Republicans, armed or not.

They don't look like the Dukes of Hazzard. More like Boss Hogg.

[-] mister_flibble@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

Particularly given that I suspect for a decent chunk of that 14%, "action" means something more along the lines of "whinge on Facebook until I get uninvited to Thanksgiving".

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Bring it the fuck on. The response on Jan 6 was restrained in part because the terrorists were acting on Presidential orders. Try that treasonous shit when your guy isn't in the White House, and Biden has one foot in the retirement home.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

I think it's safe to say everyone will be ready for this. It won't be a surprise, and it won't be another January 6th.

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 2 days ago

luckily we have seen for a long time that republicans say a lot of things but due few things. They are great at bamboozling people and then leaving them high and dry on consequences.

[-] Talaraine@fedia.io 1 points 2 days ago

Molon Labe!

(Instructions unclear, am I using that right?)

[-] MediaBiasFactChecker@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago
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