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[-] erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

get newpipe and ublock origin if you want to screw with google:

https://newpipe.net/

https://ublockorigin.com/

[-] pkmkdz@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Alt nominations:
Grayjay (Android)
Freetube (PC)

[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 42 points 2 days ago

We need to slowdown YouTube and get an alternative that is viable for people and creators. The problem in this case is creators and brands, almost no creators would continue doing videos if there's no money at the end

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 19 points 2 days ago

The problem with money being involved is it's an invitation to spam crap everywhere.

One of my relatives has recently taken up "AI travel videos" and "AI cute videos" as a "hobby". No doubt based on the first thing that came up when I searched for those things, a video titled "make $10,000 a month spamming up YouTube with your AI slop".

Oh, and it needs you to buy the AI slop generating tools that they happen to sell. How convenient!

I mean, this also happened with broadcast TV, where we suddenly went from like 4 channels filled with programs and things competing for space, to 200 channels, where the rush was on to fill the gaps between the adverts as cheaply as possible with reality show tat. And that's all YouTube is now.

[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

The other problem is storage and bandwidth.

[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago

The solution is decentralization of the web

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[-] Teils13@lemmy.eco.br 8 points 2 days ago

There is the PeerTube network, which works like Lemmy.

[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

This is one the best YouTube alternative but needs to be adopt massively

[-] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 8 points 2 days ago

Start using it and ask content creators to also put their content on there.

[-] sentientity@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

It's subscription based, but Nebula is creator owned I believe. Sucks though that everything free gets acquired by some extractive company.

[-] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago

Odysee is actually doing amazing. The interface is great and the speed is even better than Youtube at the moment.

They are however swithing their core structure from one blockchain powered storage model to another one, so at the moment it's a bit guesswork and could possibly turn out very bad. (ArWeave bought them...)

Regarding the far right content on the platform; yes, there is a bit of it, but I have only once come across it, and I was actually browsing some categories relating to politics. So in normal usage, following content creators and checking what Odysee is featuring, you'll not come across them. But even if you do, Odysee's block/mute functionality works better than the one on YouTube.

[-] Doburoku@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Nah a little alt right content is entirely too much.

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[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago

Is this the reason why SmartTubeNext keeps breaking on my TV? The updates come pretty quickly but it's getting annoying cause my $1800 OLED has the processing power of a $50 Chinese Android phone and thus takes forever to install updates.

[-] bruhduh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

50$ Chinese android phone is faster tho

[-] emil_98@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It really is maddening how slow these expensive ass smart TVs are. Updating the software at all is often enough to make them nearly unusable

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

Not to mention the hilariously tiny storage space. My TV came out in 2022, and has 8 freaking gigabytes of storage space. That's right, eight. Before I removed all the pre-installed bloat with ADB, it barely had enough space left to install one app fresh out of the box. It's like these smart TV manufacturers expect people to only use the built-in apps and nothing else ever.

[-] ISOmorph@feddit.org 146 points 3 days ago

I've seen the effects on invidious these past days. 8 in 10 instances have been broken. Google is putting some serious work into shutting alternate frontends down. Shows you how much of a dent they're putting in the bottom line.

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 64 points 3 days ago

Shows you how much of a dent they’re putting in the bottom line.

Or how desperate google execs are to get even the tiniest bump in revenue.

[-] Zidane@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago

LINE MUST GO UP AT ALL TIMES

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 27 points 3 days ago

GrayJay is the only one that seems to still work without issue but it's getting updates very regularly.

[-] VerPoilu@sopuli.xyz 31 points 3 days ago

Invidious and YouTube piped (and LibreTube) by default load the videos server-side, as opposed to GrayJay, NewPipe or Smarttube.

It has advantages (mostly that your IP address is not shared with YouTube, and it allows users from countries where YouTube is blocked to still access it) and inconvenients (much harder to keep up when YouTube actively seeks to block them).

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[-] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 103 points 3 days ago

It's about time we try to de-google.

[-] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago

YouTube and my existing Gmail is the only thing tying me back. And the occasional Google maps. I don't even use the rest of their services anymore

[-] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 19 points 3 days ago

THat sounds great! Gmail can be easily replaced, by like Proton mail or something.. Youtube is also very hard.. It's a vicious circle, "Youtubers" try to host their content elsewhere but nobody is looking. While some users also want to get rid of the youtube platform, but since most people are still and keep watching on YouTube, the content creators keep uploading there...

[-] dan@upvote.au 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Gmail can be easily replaced, by like Proton mail or something

Except for the fact that you'll need to update your email address in so many places.

If you do move to a different provider, make sure you use your own domain. It's way more professional, and it lets you move to a different provider in the future without having to change your email address again. I've had one of my email addresses for a bit over 20 years across a bunch of different providers.

The paid version of Protonmail lets you have up to 3 custom domains. MXRoute and FastMail let you use your own domain too. MXRoute supports unlimited domains and addresses; you're just limited by total disk space.

If the email address is important to you, it's better to use a paid service since it'll usually give you proper support and an SLA.

[-] ad_on_is@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

Except for the fact that you'll need to update your email address in so many places.

Which is actually a good thing. Might sound scarry and counterintuitive at first, but is the right way to go.

Especially with a custom domain, (can be smth cheap for 2 bucks a year) and using aliases for all the different places... like onlyfans@mydomain com.. this prevents other malicious services from sending spam to your main email adress, since you can just delete the alias.

[-] dan@upvote.au 1 points 1 day ago

Which is actually a good thing. Might sound scarry and counterintuitive at first, but is the right way to go.

My point was more that if you do change email address, you should change to your own domain, since then you won't have to change it again in the future :)

using aliases for all the different places...

Yeah this is great. I use a catchall email so anything @ my domain goes to me.

[-] ad_on_is@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

catchall

yeah.. me too... thankfully no one tried to bruteforce, at least not for now 😅

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[-] art@lemmy.world 59 points 3 days ago

I'm a YouTube creator, part of the partner program, and I also manually upload to TILvids. The videos I make generate about $100-$300 a year through the partner program, so I'm not a professional by any means. It feels like they're trying to keep creators from leaving by putting up small roadblocks that limit our reach beyond the platform. Given PeerTube's non-profit model, I see it as a potential future for content sharing. Though there are a few rock stars on YouTube, most of the creators on that platform make little to no money from publishing videos. There are more people like me than Linus Media Group.

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[-] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 34 points 3 days ago

The other day someone on lemmy kept trying to tell me that if google wanted to shut down ad blocking they would. But they don't, so it's ok.

Lol, spawn me that person plz.

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

AdBlocking is 100% OK, that part is correct for sure. Ad networks (including Google's) routinely serve up scams and malware: It is foolish not to use a browser with a fully functional ad blocker at this point (i.e. avoid Chrome, use Firefox with uBlock origin).

As for whether Google approves: Fuck Google! They have been serving up malware and scams in their ads. Their opinion should be irrelevant if you have any interest in protecting yourself, they have repeatedly proven they cannot and should not be trusted.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

If Google takes money to host an ad that's malware, they should be able to be prosecuted for it.

This is different than simply hosting community content that they can't reasonably moderate. They're being given money to distribute these ads, so they can afford to moderate them.

Which should be easy anyway. Ads shouldn't be able to install third-party shit from the advertisers on user computers. Google can easily restrict what can be included on an ad package.

[-] Rider@eviltoast.org 6 points 2 days ago

Yes at this point why would any person would care what Google thinks? Google can go fuck themselves.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 24 points 3 days ago

I'm honestly surprised peertube has lasted as long as it has as it is

[-] dsilverz@thelemmy.club 23 points 3 days ago

It still lasts because there's no easy way YT can offer their own content without the video being available as a file stream (through CDNs at googlevideos subdomains). If they centralize everything to a single, controlled domain (so to allow things as one-time HTTPS request, better session checking and so on), they'd lost the capability of load balancing allowed by the decentralized nature of CDNs. YouTube downloaders (and, by extension, third-party YT frontends such as Invidious) exploit this CDN aspect to download the videos.

It's common to see Invidious instances momentarily blocked. The blockage can't last forever for two reasons: firstly, IPs (especially IPv4) changes due to how ISPs offer IPv4 addresses through CGNAT, so the instance IPv4 (generally domestic servers) will eventually change (often to a completely different IPv4 range) and YouTube won't know that the new IP is a former "offender". Secondly, as IPv4s works through CGNAT, Google can't keep the bans forever because this IPv4 will be eventually rotated to another client from ISP that's completely unrelated and unaware of how their IPv4 was a former address for a downloader. It's like how Signal/WhatsApp/Telegram/Facebook/phone-required services can't really keep a permanent ban for a specific prepaid number (especially on countries like Brazil, where ANATEL allows for phone number rotation when the mobile plan is cancelled), because the number will be potentially owned by another person with nothing to do with the former owner.

So, in summary, Google can either end with YouTube CDNs (ditching their load balancing), or they can try to implement an innovative way to keep load balancing while serving the request one-time only, or they won't be able to do nothing but to perpetually catch themselves drying ice cubes.

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[-] bruhsoulz@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

This sux big time, been using grayjay and it seems to be working alright thus far

[-] joe_cool@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

That's because it's all local to your device.

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 3 days ago

I wonder if these services are on small cloud providers. If so then they can just block their entire CIDR.

I wonder if they were to move to GPC if they would have better luck.

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