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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 13 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I'd support anything to see NIntendo get kicked in the nuts for shutting down yuzu, which could have easily continued legally by removing like 2 paragraphs and probably a few lines of code.

Also Citra which was 100% legal.

EDIT:

I also wanna mention that current Pokemon gameplay sucks, and would also kill to see GameFreak's billion dollar franchising burn. Maybe ~~15~~ 20 years ago when hardware was "limited", a low asset turn based RPG focused around pocket monsters was a fun game. Ain't no way a PS1 graphics looking game with practically zero changes to the formula can be considered AAA title in 2024. And even then they've somehow made it into an A button press simulator by nuking the difficulty.

Being completely honest, the DS hardware was not that limited (had 2 generations on it with significant upgrades despite being the same console). BW2 was probably the golden era with very well done animated sprites, overworld, features, etc. The moment it hit the 3DS, it started showing its cracks with GF continuing to develop the game without expanding the team to meet development demand.

Palworld isn't even the first challenger. TemTem gained some popularity purely for showing how much of an upgrade it was from Pokemon only a few years ago.

[-] obbeel@lemmy.eco.br 11 points 3 hours ago

I stand by the indie studios. We have proof again and again that indies just want to reach their public.

[-] Jeanschyso@lemmy.world 17 points 4 hours ago

They're gonna fight it, but not for the fans. They're doing it for themselves. They're a company too.

[-] omarfw@lemmy.world 12 points 2 hours ago

All the same, I'm glad someone is standing up to those litigious fuckwagons.

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 6 points 4 hours ago

They would prob do smth like this to tux kart

[-] demizerone@lemmy.world 19 points 8 hours ago

I don't play this game, but would love to donate to help the fight. Nintendo is out of control with their bullshit.

[-] Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 hours ago

Buy the game.

[-] Egg_Egg@lemm.ee 14 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Half of Pokémon are heavily inspired by artist's (who are not affiliated with Nintendo) illustrations of popular Yokai (Japanese mythological creatures). The rest are simply animals with very generic additions. "It's a cow but bipedal" "It's a kangaroo but with horns" "It's a pigeon but... actually yeah it's just a pigeon. No difference."

How can you copyright/patent that? It's hardly original.

I say this as someone who grew up loving Pokémon.

[-] AdmiralRob@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 hour ago

It's not for copyright infringement, it's for patent infringement. Apparently when they made Legends Arceus, Nintendo patented the idea of pointing the camera at a monster and throwing stuff at it.

[-] fishbone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 19 minutes ago

That'd be pretty funny if that was the case, because Craftopia (Pocketpair's first game, released before Legends Arceus was announced) also did the monster collection mechanic in the exact same way as Palworld.

[-] jeff@programming.dev 17 points 7 hours ago

It's a patent case. It has nothing to do with the creative design of the games.

But yes. Every pokemon is copyrighted. Every pal is copyrighted. (In the US) All creative work is automatically copyrighted to the creator.

You can't copyright "a standing lizard with a small flame on its tail" but you can copyright Charmander. If you copy enough elements that a lay person can't distinguish the original and the copy then it opens it up for a copyright claim.

None of that is relevant in this case.

A patent is to protect a specific invention from being copied. In this case, there is an innovative game mechanic that Nintendo patented has that Palworld copied. The speculation is with throwing an item that captures a character that fights other characters in a 3d space.

The patent is dumb. Personally I don't think it is innovative or special enough to be patented. Patenting software or game mechanic are dumb anyway.

[-] phx@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 hours ago

And hopefully something that they'll be able to find reams of prior art that precede the patent

[-] Egg_Egg@lemm.ee 2 points 55 minutes ago* (last edited 54 minutes ago)

Not sure how it works in Japan, but in many nations you have to file for a patent before or pretty soon after you release your product / service. In the US I think there's a 1 year grace period. It's a pretty common sense thing that stops whole businesses springing up and then being shut down by patent creation just like we are seeing here.

There are many games out there now that involve catching monsters and making them fight for you, Nintendo would be shutting down 100s, if not 1000s of developers if they wanted to go ahead with this and have it be taken seriously.

Anyone that has played Palworld will tell you that it much more resembles ARK than it does any Pokémon game or experience anyway.

[-] jeff@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

~~Once again. Patents have nothing to do with art. And even if they had proof they worked on those mechanics before Nintendo patented them doesn't mean they have the right to use it. Yes, it's kinda a dumb system. But there is a lot of effort to get a patent, and once you have one you have a lot of protection because of it.~~

Disregard. :) see comment below

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

(Not sure if I'm being whoosh'd, but just in case: "Prior art" is the legal term for a precedent that something was in use prior to being patented, and is the primary means of fighting software patent troll shit like nintendo is trying to pull here)

[-] jeff@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago

Nope, my bad. Im far from an expert but know enough to differential between copyright and parent. I didn't know that prior art had that meaning.

[-] Cyberjin@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

Hope Nintendo lose. I don't understand why they are always the bad guy

[-] FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

The answer is money and eliminating competition for money

[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago

Nintendo filled some vague ass patents after the game launched, they are a disgusting company that already did the same to white cat project because of some virtual analogue because they were releasing their own Dragalia Lost.

[-] Prethoryn@lemmy.world 36 points 23 hours ago

Seeing a lot of comments on here and it just reminds me of what I have been telling my friends since day one.

  1. PalWorld is a threat to Pokemon. It has potential to crown Pokemon in a different way and really compete. Nintendo will 100% find a way. I told them and told them. I said the same thing on Reddit. Sure enough, downvoted.

  2. I love Pokemon, I love Zelda, and Mario but I absolutely love competition. There is no way a billion dollar franchise, multi level marketing, insanept popular game series is going to let something come along and compete against it. If you haven't watched The Boys on Amazon you are missing out. One of the most redeeming characters, IMO, says it best in two sentences in the boys in one whole episode and it is the premise of everything. "You don't get it do you? You don't mess with the money.

  3. I love seeing games come along and bring something new to the table because it should drive Nintendo to do better for GameFreak to do better. I liked PalWorld and welcomed it as someone who loves Pokemon. While PalWorld didn't maintain my interest its because Pokemon just does something for me PalWorld doesn't. However, that being said I have found my self turned away from Pokemon since Gen 7 and 8 semi redeemed 7 and 9 is just sad (performance wise). I have found my self playing the hell out of tjr classic Pokémon games. Point being I welcomed PalWorld in hopes that it would light a fire under Nintendo's ass to develop a really good next gen Pokemon game. It was wishful thinking though. Nintendo is a "don't mess with the money" company and that is all it is. Fuck Nintendo. PalWorld was good for the game industry. What Nintendo is going to try to set precedence on is that you can own an idea a simple concept.

I have been telling my friends for literal fucking years and for some reason they just swing the bat for Nintendo. Nintendo makes some great games but holy fuck they are a shit company. They just are. I told them over and over this was coming Nintendo would find something and now here we are.

I sent this too them and they all got silent. They genuinely believed Nintendo couldn't and wouldn't.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 12 points 19 hours ago

Well arguably they can't legally but... Bludgeoning people with lawyers regardless of legality is pretty standard big business behaviour

[-] Buttons@programming.dev 153 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Patents and video games huh? We can't ignore what John Carmack had to say about this:

The idea that I can be presented with a problem, set out to logically solve it with the tools at hand, and wind up with a program that could not be legally used because someone else followed the same logical steps some years ago and filed for a patent on it is horrifying.

--John Carmack

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 19 points 22 hours ago

Kick his ass Pocketpair

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