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US navy apologizes for razing of Native Alaska community in late 1800s (www.theguardian.com)
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In ceremony in Kake, military acknowledges bombardment of village that destroyed it and led to many deaths

In a ceremony Saturday afternoon, the US navy apologized for firing upon and torching the Alaska Native village of Kake in 1869.

Surrounded by tribal Chilkat weavings, historic photographs and other Lingít artwork in the Kake elementary and high school gymnasium, R Adm Mark B Sucato expressed the military’s regret, in the first of two apologies planned by the military for bombardments of Alaska Native communities in the late 1800s.

“This has been 155 years in the making,” said Joel Jackson, the president of the Organized Village of Kake, of the apology to the Lingít (often known as the Tlingit) people. “It’s becoming real because we never talked about it and now we are.”

The event also included remarks from other tribal leaders and elders, a blessing from the tribe and a navy chaplain, and performances by the local Native Ḵéex’ Ḵwáan Dancers and the navy band.

A second ceremony is planned for 26 October, the 142nd anniversary of the navy’s 1882 bombardment of the nearby village of Angoon.

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[-] superkret@feddit.org 32 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The "Kake War" was initially started by a US sentry kicking a Lingít chief in the butt when he visited Fort Sitka on an invitation.
The chief then disarmed the sentry and walked away with his rifle.
A detachment was sent into the chief's village, but was repelled by the tribesmen, so the village was put under siege.
They surrendered, but after the surrender, two unarmed Lingít trying to leave in a canoe were killed anyway.
According to their laws and custom, the Lingít demanded retribution in goods for the killing, but were denied, so they captured and executed two fur traders as retaliation.
The USS Saginaw then set sail to "restore order", found all the Lingít villages deserted and put them to the torch, which killed an elderly woman who had stayed behind, and caused the deaths of many Lingít in the following winter since their stores and hunting canoes were destroyed.

[-] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 3 months ago

I love how they apologise for their crimes after centuries, knowing full well that they will get away with their current atrocities.

[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

They'll apologise for current actions in about a century. Seems to work well so far.

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Better than just, y'know, never. That's what happens most of the time.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 3 months ago

Never is just as meaningful if the US government doesn't actually stop fucking doing it.

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Unless you're counting war materiel sent to the IDF, I'm not sure what villages we've indiscriminately shelled in recent years.

[-] Montagge@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 months ago

Iraq and Afghanistan

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world -4 points 3 months ago

Fighting opposing military forces in a village and indiscriminate shelling of a village are not the same thing. Unless you can think of a time some random village got shelled for no reason?

[-] escapesamsara 5 points 3 months ago

Yes, the entirety of both wars had indiscriminate shelling of non military targets. The US from every perspective was the bad guys for the last 20 years globally due to their explicit murder of over 1.5 million known civillians

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago

Still waiting on that specific example. I'm also a little leery of the "explicit murder of over 1.5 million known civillians" claim. Source on that one?

[-] Montagge@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 months ago
[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

From the first article:

The Kurds told reporters covering the offensive that there were a thousand Islamic State fighters at the mountain base.

While another source disagrees, this is a "he said she said" situation.

From the second:

Ground-launched cluster strikes caused hundreds of civilian casualties across Iraq. Human Rights Watch documented cases in most of the major cities, including al-Hilla, al-Najaf, Karbala’, Baghdad, and Basra. Doctors at local hospitals provided statistics that supported individual testimony of deaths and injuries. The majority of these casualties resulted from the heavy use of cluster munitions in populated areas where soldiers and civilians commingled.

The third quotes the very paragraph above from the second, but quotes around and omits the line about areas where soldiers and civilians comingled.

From the fourth:

Although human-rights activists insist that the coalition could have done more to protect civilians, Townsend is right: unlike Russia, America does not bomb indiscriminately. The U.S. razed an entire city, killing thousands in the process, without committing a single obvious war crime.

Note, US propaganda aside, I absolutely agree that war crimes were committed, specifically with regards to the use of certain types of munitions. This is a separate allegation from deliberate targeting and indiscriminate destruction of exclusively civilian populations though.

War is hell, after all. All war is hell. It always kills civilians if they are present, yet it remains legal if pursued with appropriate "care". It takes more, then, than fighting occuring within residential areas to demonstrate the targeting of civilians.

[-] Montagge@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

K

[-] escapesamsara 2 points 3 months ago

Wikipedia has brief introductions to both concepts for you since it's the first time you've heard about america's involvement in the middle east.

[-] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

you really did just refuse to link wikipedia while citing it as your source

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world -3 points 3 months ago

Uh huh. I'll go "do my own research" right away, thanks.

[-] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

The US military shell Native Hawaiian land for "practice" with no intention of cleaning it up. They're not killing anyone but they're basically making native land uninhabitable for anyone else after/if they leave

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah, that sorta counts. Definitely shitty.

[-] pageflight@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I would count that, yes.

[-] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

My Lai would like a word

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social -2 points 3 months ago

I don't know why I keep getting surprised at the rampant ignorance of the average liberal, but I do.

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

Little more likely you've simply been misled. Someone below quoted four sources, and the very best they had was one man's testimony which was contradicted by the Kurds.

Note, the keyword is indiscriminate. Not shells aimed at fighters in a village, but a village with nobody fighting from it. That part is key.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 3 months ago

Bless your heart.

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Also they won't even apologise for most of them

[-] LordCrom@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Never learned about this in my history classes back in school.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 11 points 3 months ago

If they covered every instance of the US military destroying a bunch of native villages, you'd be in history class full time till you retire.

[-] theherk@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

The joke only being enhanced by the fact that most of us will never retire.

[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If you did, you'd almost certainly have been taught some bullshit revisionist fiction showing friendly US officials probably eating with the Lingít people and teaching them how to do what the Lingít excelled at.

Honestly given the indignity, it's probably better they aren't mentioned in our K-12 "history"

[-] pageflight@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

No mention of reparations as part of this apology.

Although the community of Angoon received a $90,000 settlement from the Department of the Interior in 1973, it has long sought a formal apology.

Mentioning that previous amount just highlights that they aren't doing more / something significant.

[-] Stern@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Although the community of Angoon received a $90,000 settlement from the Department of the Interior in 1973...

Approximately $638,000 now, after inflation. Do with that knowledge what you will. (I recommend being somewhat upset.)

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