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It all started with the unofficial godot discord admin dealing with some chuds and people turning their ire towards the Godot Foundation staff instead.

Since Godot has stubbornly remained on the Xitter nazi bar as a valid space for PR and social media interaction and dared to promote the Wokot hashtag and reiterate their progessiveness, the reactionaries infesting that space are now piling on their socials and harassing everyone they can get their eyes on.

Examples

Anyway, solidarity with the targets of harassment. I hope they finally realize that Xitter is a lost cause.

Update: Godot is being review-bombed

Fortunately the reactionary backlash seems to be having the opposite effect

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[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 217 points 2 weeks ago

Open source software is the wokest shit possible… It’s pretty much digital communism run by the gayest furries you’ll ever meet.

[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 50 points 2 weeks ago

I can't tell if you intent this as a positive or a negative, but it very much an accurate assessment.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 65 points 2 weeks ago

Positive. I love FOSS culture, for the most part.

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[-] hangry@slrpnk.net 28 points 2 weeks ago

I bookmarked this comment. It's beautiful

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[-] HyperlinkYourHeart@lemmy.ml 90 points 2 weeks ago

Nice to see some figures on the change in support levels. I was donating €5 a month and I've bumped it up to €50 for the next few months.

I get the impression that a lot of the people complaining on twitter are not even gamedevs and don't know what Godot is, it's just the reactionary pile-on du jour.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 72 points 2 weeks ago

a lot of the people complaining on twitter are not even gamedevs and don’t know what Godot is

You're probably right. Homophobes aren't the brightest of the bunch.

[-] s12@sopuli.xyz 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

… since when did the project have customers lol?

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[-] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago

Unreal, Godot, how do these fools think games get made?

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The flagbearer is ofc grummz, the terminally online ex-gamedev chud who turned to shit every game he touched and has had his right-wing grifting platform on Xitter massively boosted in recent years.

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

I don't know shit about the situation (I don't use twitter), but not being on the same side as Mark "Physiognomy" Kern seems like the right call.

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 weeks ago

Unsurprisingly most gamedevs, at least the ones that make good games, are either minorities themselves, or positive to their/our plight

After all, the best art isn't made by the people who enshrine conservative ideals

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[-] moormaan@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

This is evident in a few ways:

  • How they subtly or glaringly misunderstand what it is and what it does
  • How they call it "a company"
  • How they pronounce it as GO-DOT
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[-] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 79 points 2 weeks ago

It's actually really funny to see review bomb attempts on a non-profit FOSS project. No shareholders to appease, no profits to they need to protect, just a community of people contributing to the tool they use.

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[-] grayhaze@lemmy.world 70 points 2 weeks ago

I long for the days when people didn't call any concept they disagreed with "political."

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 31 points 2 weeks ago

Oh so you’re a conservative!

/s

[-] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 60 points 2 weeks ago

It was just a tweet... And then they say that the "wokes" are the hypersensitive snowflakes?

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 2 weeks ago

It's always projection.

[-] Buttons@programming.dev 55 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Finally a place I can share my cold takes. (I'm not on Twitter, I won't discuss this on Reddit either.)

  1. The community manager had a meltdown and blocking everyone was a power trip and was wrong.

  2. Godot's tweet was wrong, because it used the word "woke" which immediately drives any conversation into the gutter. Doesn't matter if you're on the right or left, as soon as you say the word "woke" you have ruined the conversation.

  3. It is good that Godot explicitly supports LGBT+ people. They should be welcome. The community CoC should make this explicit, and it does. A tweet to reaffirm this is fine, a cringe joke born from the dredges of Twitter is less fine.

  4. Godot's "revenge forks" are amusing and will not go anywhere. Someone might collect some donations before grifting into the night though.

  5. None of this has any effect on Godot's technical suitability for creating a game.

[-] s12@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I’ll share mine too.

The community manager had a meltdown and blocking everyone was a power trip and was wrong.

Apparently they did receive a large number of tweets that genuinely warranted a ban, but some innocent people got caught in the crossfire. If this is true then Godot did the right thing by responding as neutrally as they can and giving people a way to get unbanned. If it’s not, then yeah very wrong.

Additionally, the Twitter manager apparently said some unprofessional stuff on her personal. I think there was something about her requesting a shower pic from a very large controversial streamer. I feel like that sort of action would bring attention from trolls.

Also I think there was something about a discord mod saying some dehumanising things about the “anti woke” people. Even if these people were causing trouble and deserved a ban, you shouldn’t dehumanise them. That will just make them more aggressive and convince them that “woke” people are indeed some kind of adversary.

Godot’s tweet was wrong, because it used the word “woke” which immediately drives any conversation into the gutter. Doesn’t matter if you’re on the right or left, as soon as you say the word “woke” you have ruined the conversation.

I think that word is loosely defined. To the drama people “woke/wokism” seems to relate to the idea of people aggressively wanting all media to contain pro lgbt messaging. I think the official meaning relates to awareness of modern issues. “Woke” seems to be a political term, but I suppose some people feel like calling “woke” political is harmful to lgbt rights?

I think inviting people to present their “wokot” is fine, but it probably shouldn’t be done from an official account.

It is good that Godot explicitly supports LGBT+ people. They should be welcome. The community CoC should make this explicit, and it does. A tweet to reaffirm this is fine, a cringe joke born from the dredges of Twitter is less fine.

Hard agree! Strongly agree!

Godot’s “revenge forks” are amusing and will not go anywhere. Someone might collect some donations before grifting into the night though. None of this has any effect on Godot’s technical suitability for creating a game.

Agreed. Give it a year or two. Possibly sooner. It’ll be somewhat interesting if they do go somewhere and contribute something, although I doubt that will happen.

Regardless of what happened and how it will turn out. If Godot increased their budget, even if it was in an unprofessional way, I guess this is an entirely positive thing for people who aren’t on those proprietary social platforms.

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[-] style99@lemm.ee 37 points 2 weeks ago

I feel like it's important to note that eating, breathing, and having a fun time with friends are all very LGBTQ+ activities! #woke

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago

Twitter blows ass and if they hate you you're probably right.

Not guaranteed. But a solid bet.

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[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

Let the fascist idiots stay with predatory tech like Unity. Fuck 'em all. Conservatives make shit games; they can stick with shit middleware.

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[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 week ago

Woke is interestingly becoming a word that can easily trigger and be used to troll conservatives.

My favourite thing is asking them to define woke.

[-] slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 23 points 1 week ago

I woke up this morning.

Angry fascist noises

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[-] ArkyonVeil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 2 weeks ago

I stand in solidarity with Godot.

[-] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 19 points 2 weeks ago

Grrrr!! I hate WOKE! 😡😡 /s

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Time for Godot to get off Twitter.

[-] s12@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 week ago

I mean, it seems Godot did make money from this, so I guess the Twitter helped.

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[-] s12@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 weeks ago

Fortunately the reactionary backlash seems to be having the opposite effect

That’s good I suppose.

I don’t care what happens on Twitter. Just so long as the codebase isn’t negatively affected.

I have been seeing some drama YouTubers, who are clearly blowing this out of proportion, talk a lot about this. One thing they’ve been saying that concerns me however, is that apparently there have been people getting banned from help forums and even the GitHub for criticism.

My understanding is that “woke” is a loosely defined political term, so I think requesting Godot be kept free from politics in response to this stuff isn’t something that should require a ban.

Perhaps there were people going too far and getting rightfully banned and some innocent people got caught in the crossfire?

There shouldn’t be any way the MIT license can discriminate between “woke” and “anti-woke”. Godot can be used by everyone. This is just making the drama people lose their credibility. Regardless of what the devs views on this situation are, I could never expect them to come to a decision on this issue so quickly. Let alone act on it. Their main priority should be the code, not the community. Unofficial communities can pop up on their own and self govern.

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 24 points 2 weeks ago

My understanding is that “woke” is a loosely defined political term, so I think requesting Godot be kept free from politics in response to this stuff isn’t something that should require a ban.

I'm a bit 50/50 on that. If they got kinda harassed to the point where they take a simple stance as they did, then saying "please stop being political" is often used as a thin veiled attempt to say "I don't like your politics" by the people who get so hard triggered by that term, and women, and LGBT stuff, and people of color, etc.

We can see this all the time in other areas too, especially gaming. As soon as a game has a female main character, or even a female main character that isn't white, or even one that is lesbian or bi, then uppercase Gamers collectively lose their shit. Say something about Nazis? Or Russia? "HoW DaRe YoU BrInG PoLiTiCs InTo MY GaMes!" ...

Not saying that was the guy's intend when he replied that to Godot, but I can see how it could be interpreted as such when they get brigaded by a bunch of toxic replies.

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[-] GammaGames@beehaw.org 22 points 2 weeks ago

I am begging you to stop giving credit to drama youtubers, they do not care about the facts and are only in it to farm views.

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[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

One thing they’ve been saying that concerns me however, is that apparently there have been people getting banned from help forums and even the GitHub for criticism.

Perhaps there were people going too far and getting rightfully banned and some innocent people got caught in the crossfire?

They've addressed that:

We unequivocally condemn this abuse. The volume of negative engagement overwhelmed our moderation efforts. While attempting to protect the Godot community we mistakenly blocked individuals who were not participating in the harassment. The Godot Foundation Board takes full responsibility for these moderation actions. If you believe you were blocked in error and have not violated our Code of Conduct, please contact us with the form linked below. We are committed to swiftly rectifying any mistakes. We firmly stand by our mission to keep our community spaces free from hate, discrimination, and other toxic behaviors. - The Godot Foundation Board

[-] towerful@programming.dev 13 points 2 weeks ago

And there have been 5 people banned from GitHub due to racist and homophobic slurs, which violates Godot CoC and GH ToS.
I don't think these users were providing valid criticism. Never mind the fact that GH issues are not really the place to complain about some twitter drama.

https://beehaw.org/comment/3969324

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[-] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 weeks ago

You're fully entitled to use Godot if you're an asshole.

You're not inherently entitled to interact with their development process or get their help, etc. They aren't obligated to deal with bullshit to run an open source project.

[-] helpmyusernamewontfi@lemmy.today 10 points 2 weeks ago

I didn't know it was because of them supporting LGBTQ+, mostly because they've been doing that for a very long time now and very publicly. I thought most of the backlash stemmed from this;

[-] drspod@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago

From what I've read, that person is not officially affiliated with the Godot project. They just moderate an unofficial Discord server that is Godot-related.

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[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Wow, now that I have some context, I'm an even bigger fan of Godot than before. Supporting LGBTQ+ rights isn't political. If you're offended because people exist that don't think like you, then yeah, you can fuck right off somewhere else.

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