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[-] ynazuma@lemmy.world 107 points 1 month ago

That is correct. They might work, but in context they are not “working people”

Here “working people” is synonymous with “working class”. Thus, not landlords and shareholders obviously

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[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 86 points 1 month ago

Based from Starmer there.

Landlords and shareholders aren't working people.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

This might be my favourite thing he's said yet

[-] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 28 points 1 month ago

In a country like UK... He just pissed off a lot of parasites.

And thats a good thing! They got too comfortable over last 40 years.

UK is fucking gutted from within, and peasants accept it lol

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[-] elgordino@fedia.io 76 points 1 month ago

Truth hurts I guess.

[-] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 72 points 1 month ago

Comrade Starmer lmao

He's right though. I'd very much like a PM to take a hard line on these chuckle fucks.

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

Nothing "comrade" about it. It's just sense.

[-] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 25 points 1 month ago

He definitely is. It's refreshing to finally even hear this sentiment from our government. However it's just words, hopefully we start seeing some positive changes in the rental and housing market.

[-] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 month ago

I'm super dubious because Starmer has done very little to earn my trust, but I would be very keen to be surprised, or even proven wrong

[-] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Very small scale landlords are often working people, and lots of working people own shares. That said, the bigger landowners and stock holders are much less likely to be working people. Those fuckers contribute nothing of value to society.

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[-] kitnaht@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago

I mean, he's right. The whole point of my mother leveraging her home to become a landlord back then was because she had a stroke and literally could-not-work. Landlords aren't working class. They're just investors.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That may be the first thing he said that I agree with him on ever.

[-] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 45 points 1 month ago

Of course they're not working people. They are leveraging capital to give them an income. That is not the same as chopping wood and carrying water.

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[-] Wrightfi@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago

As a landlord (I own two properties) and as someone who also works full time I agree with him.

It may take up some time but ultimately it's an investment.

Landlords like myself aren't (typically) struggling, so we should pay more tax, especially now as the country needs it. I am proud to say I don't tax dodge and pay what I owe. But unfortunately there are many loopholes that can be exploited to avoid paying tax. Just a few weeks ago someone was telling me how I should put my properties under a LTD company to avoid paying tax (I didn't and won't). I hope the Labour government does more to close these loopholes for tax dodgers.

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago
[-] MrSilkworm@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago

Because he is correct

[-] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 38 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And, as everyone here says. He is correct. It is an investment. Not work. Yes you are taking a risk, that is the point. If you work, you should not be taking a risk. But instead paid for your labour.

Unfortunately, saying it here doesn't matter. Papers like the telegraph and other Tory press are not going to care about the facts. They only care about creating division.

More importantly, Starmer et al. Are also not going to make the effort to argue this case. No effort is going to be made to push forward the true difference between working class income and actual investment income.

Anyone watching saw this argument starting during the election. It was clear then when labour started talking about working taxes. The Tories instantly started arguing that the Tories were talking about not raising taxers at all. Anyone watching saw this discussion forming.

And Starmer et al. intentionally ignored it rather than draw attention to the difference. They will not bother to fight the terminology now either.

[-] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago
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[-] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

They do no labor, they create no good, they accomplish no service. Literal rent-seeking.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 24 points 1 month ago

Well I remember when I used to rent I don't remember my landlord ever doing anything. He owns the property but he certainly didn't maintain it.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

I don’t know why they seem to think they are. Yes some landlords do labor, but that labor is to maintain and improve value of their income from owning things.

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[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Owning shit isn't working. Why is this controversial?

[-] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 6 points 1 month ago

Because the right wing media wants it to be. The answer is simple.

Cool if owning property is work. Let's abolish capital gains tax and charge it as income.

Because at the end of it. That is what the telegraph etc is saying. They are trying to argue Starmer agreed to hold all taxes when the manifesto clearly stated working taxes.

Cool call their bluff all capital gains is now charged as income tax.

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[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 17 points 1 month ago

I dont often agree with this Tory in disguise, but in this case he's right.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 month ago

Yeah, Starmer is right though...

By definition if you make all the money you need to live from investments like stocks, bonds, or leasing out homes then you aren't working class. If you work a regular job, but have some additional income from investment savings you are working class, but the Labour government isn't having to focus on those investments going up as much as making your working life more comfortable.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

Good fucking luck to any landlord looking to be named in a manifesto.

You might get mentioned. You won't like how.

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[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 4 points 1 month ago

Yer, I totally trust the Telegraph on what Starmer says on the lines in a class war. Completely trustable source on the subject. Not at all trying to put that line with as many people on its side not Starmers.....

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