1183
Abuse is abuse rule (lemmy.world)
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Literally my ex, any the typical reactions, where somehow I'm to blame for her insanity, because men are all bad and women are always right.

Ironically, she was cheating. Its always projection with the psychopaths.

[-] mm_maybe@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 day ago

My wife once hit me in front of my kids because she didn't like my pointing out a double standard in how she was treating them. The one she was favoring recently started hitting the other one in a similar manner--basically just to silence her when she said something he didn't like--and when I pointed out the similarity to my wife's actions and suggested he had learned it from her she got mad and claimed that rather than hitting me she had "hit my hand away" which is a lie and she knows it. It is 100% classic spousal abuse and gaslighting, and yet due to the sheer size difference between us--I'm a foot taller--I feel ridiculous calling it that, and don't want to find out what else my son learns is OK from his mom if I'm not around, so here I am still married to her, mostly trying to forget the abuse when it's not actively happening. She's been abusive, but I'm not really in any physical danger, so staying seems like the rational option in my situation... I imagine that's relatively common among men.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Hey man, I don't know your situation and all the details, but it's not at all ridiculous to call it spousal abuse or gaslighting. That's fucking dark, and that your son is picking up on it is darker. Your other kid likely isn't blind to it either, especially since she's started receiving that sort of treatment and being treated as the scapegoat. That sort of situation leaves deep scars on both spouse (you) and children. You don't have to be in physical danger (though abuse often escalates) to be in danger. Damage from abuse lasts a lifetime.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 47 points 1 day ago

I am a 6'6'', 280lbs man and my ex-wife was a 4'7'' 97lbs woman. She would hit me and psychologically abuse me a lot, and nobody would give a shit because "how can she hurt you? You're such a big guy!"

She would use weapons, you bastards! She would hit me while I was asleep! She would hit me in the nuts! And even if it didn't always physically hurt, it definitely hurt in other ways. Fuck off with that mentality.

[-] needthosepylons@lemmy.world 65 points 1 day ago

Al..right. Let's do a little sanity check and let's see how up or downvoted is gets.

  1. It is absolutely true that violence against women is structurally endemic in our societies and they represent a large majority of domestic violence
  2. It is also absolutely true that domestic violence against men is clearly under-reported, to an unknown but significant extant
  3. It is absolutely true that abuse is abuse

Those assertions do not contradict each other.

[-] Tedesche@lemmy.world 12 points 19 hours ago

Ignoring female-on-male violence and shaming men who are victims of it is also structurally ingrained in our society.

[-] needthosepylons@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

That's also true

[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 day ago

1 is questionable, in part because of the claim that we don't know how under reported it is in 2. But also because there have been studies going back to the 70s suggesting that most violent relationships involve mutual violence, and the ones that don't aren't a large majority of men abusing women. For example, the woman who founded the first women's refuge in the UK had written that many of the women entering her shelter were as violent as the men they were leaving, giving a number a number that was pretty close to numbers Strauss, Gelles and Steinmetz came up with from their research in the 70

Those studies get questioned or minimized not because they have particularly bad issues with how they are done, but because the field is essentially subject to ideological capture and research that contradicts the goals of the activism at the time is worked against.

There's also some playing with terms and definitions that works against men in this kind of thing. To use a trans example, all women in the UK who rape are trans - this isn't because trans women are particularly likely to rape, but because rape is defined in the UK as requiring the perpetrator to penetrate the victim with the perpetrator's penis, which means cis women are incapable of "rape", but if you're a TERF and need something to support your point... For an example regarding men, Mary Koss (a prominent sexual assault researcher, enough so that you almost can't talk about the topic in the US without touching something descended from her work) was asked a question about men being raped by women about a decade ago in an interview. She responded with incredulity, asked how would that even happen, and when given an example who had been drugged into compliance was told by Koss that that wasn't rape, but "unwanted contact" and in other places she's made a point about the importance of keeping rape a word for female victims because men just don't feel hurt or shame in the same way.

Or NISVS where you see a couple of interesting things. One is playing with definitions where if a man copulates with a woman against her will it's "rape" but if a woman copulates with a man against his will it's "made to penetrate", with the latter being a subcategory of "Other" so as to obscure any kind of direct comparisons between them or that the two are as similar as they are. You also have this clearly demonstrated phenomenon that they seem to actively avoid discussing where previous year rape numbers are pretty similar (if you consider being "made to penetrate" equivalent to "rape") but in lifetime numbers men's reporting drops off drastically. I suspect this is caused by men not categorizing what happened to them in this way, in large part because they get told again and again that it doesn't count, that they were lucky, or similar until eventually they believe it.

[-] Starbuncle@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago

Ha! #2 is wrong because you said extant instead of extent. I've got you now, sensible internet stranger! 🤓🤓🤓

[-] needthosepylons@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Damn. I've been exposed!

[-] VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Under-reported probably does not begin to capture it. I doubt 99.999% of instances of women hitting their man have ever been reported in human history, speaking from experience mostly due to pride.

Its a total double standard, as is almost everything with women. There I said it.

[-] needthosepylons@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Rather than plain mysogyny, men and anti DV movements which men are part of should engage in their conception of pride, seeking help, admitting you can be a victim too and listening to other males victims. And if course when they want it legal action.

If you wish to solve the issue, that's the main way to go.

If you want to promote a conservative backlash about feminism and spread basic misogynistic views, you're on the right track though.

I've been working with movements and research efforts to make men more aware about reporting victimhood and seeking mental health help for years. I won't prove it because it would likely make my identity public, which I'm not comfortable doing here. Guess what ? I'm working with more feminist actors than you can imagine in your little echo chamber.

Also : "immensely under-reported", if that suits you better. But considering your visible agenda, I doubt it will.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

100% on all points

[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

I have been abused by both my mom and my partners. They took advantage of my insecurities, because of their insecurities. No one ever acknowledged it until recently. I have no trust in ever getting a relationship with someone who treats me equally. According to my therapists, I responded by turning into myself instead of developing a personality disorder. Apparently I'm too sweet.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago

I have a friend who I haven't been able to hang out with for several years because his wife is insane and posessive, and he's decided to just ride it out until the kids are all 18 so he can divorce her without having to pay her child support.

He'll still support his children, but he'll do it directly instead of through her.

[-] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It’s me, your buddy - well maybe not your exact buddy but a dude living in this same scenario.

Please hang out when that last kid turns 18 and we are free. It’s horribly lonely and there is no one to help. Getting a divorce just means she gets everything including all the time in the world to manipulate the kids.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (17 replies)
[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This reminds me of the Heard v Depp case, on the two X chromosomes subreddit there was this long ass comment from someone who experienced abuse and said she wasn't the "perfect victim" because she fought back and hurt her abuser back and how because of this it was harder to get away from her abuser.

And when I asked how does she know that in Heard v Depp case it isn't Depp who is the imperfect victim? Because he had multiple partners testifying to his character of being a kind man etc, while Heard had the opposite (AFAIK).

All I got was silence and downvotes.

load more comments (13 replies)
[-] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 206 points 2 days ago

I was once seeing a girl for a couple weeks that FUCKING ROOFIED MY DRINK so she could look through my phone while I was lying there watching her unable to move. It was absolutely fucked.

load more comments (12 replies)
[-] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

My ex-wife was arrested for slapping me and breaking my glasses.

Like many other victims of abuse, I stayed married for several more years. Been away from that nutjob since 2009.

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 97 points 2 days ago

Woah stop making men feel safe and seen. Next thing they'll become feminists, or worse, empathetic and caring humans!

[-] Lennard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 day ago

I actually spoke with some who said talking about problems specific to men, is somehow anti feminist, because it puts men into a victim role.

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 day ago

"Feminists" that base their feminism on pure misandry are counterproductive to the movement

[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 17 hours ago

“Feminists” that base their feminism on pure misandry are counterproductive to the movement

...but are also quite common and not called out or excluded for it.

Hell, I can point you to the sexual assault researcher who is the origin of that 1 in 4 number you hear thrown around and also coined the term "date rape" asking in confusion how a woman could even hypothetically rape a man and when given an example where the man was drugged into compliance declared it to be "unwanted contact" and not, you know some kind of assault or rape. This was about ten years ago, not like back in the 70s or something.

[-] Sombyr@lemmy.zip 131 points 2 days ago

Really applies to most things. I'm not a dude, trans woman, but I've gotten sexually harassed a lot both pre and post transition and the response I got pre and post transition is night and day. Pretransition people treated me like I was crazy for feeling unsafe and like I was supposed to enjoy it.
Honestly, men should be allowed to feel unsafe around women, or really allowed to feel unsafe in general, and be taken seriously for it.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 21 points 1 day ago

I'm a guy.

I've been sexually assaulted multiple times in my life by both genders. The last time was at the hands of a boyfriend who made me no longer want to be Bi. I haven't been with another guy since and only date female now.

Honestly the response has never been in my favor. At the hands women it was ignored or blamed on me and by men I was told that I should have enjoyed it more. I've been belittled for not being gay enough to take being assaulted in public. And told I was being a problem for having it done to me in a work setting with apologies made for the perpetrator and then myself sent away.

I never get to feel unsafe and I never have gotten to feel seen for it. Not by other men. Not by the LGBTQ community, not by women, not even by doctors. It's devastating and yet there apparently is no right time to ever bring it forward. It's horrible that it feels we have specific socially acceptable ways to be traumatized and most of them are against men. And yet the loudest resistance feels like from the people being hypocrites cause it makes for an easier narrative.

I don't like people anymore.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 05 Nov 2024
1183 points (98.7% liked)

196

16432 readers
2020 users here now

Be sure to follow the rule before you head out.

Rule: You must post before you leave.

^other^ ^rules^

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS