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[-] ViscloReader@lemmy.world 79 points 11 months ago

Probably more like 99,999...%

[-] FUCKRedditMods@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Well how far back are we talking? 200,000 years or just since writing was invented. Technically those cave paintings from tens of thousands of years ago could be telling historic events of some kind but if we even just say “only since 5000BCE” and only consider events of significant historic consequence shaping any given region (as opposed to neighbors starting a blood fued by shitting in each others yurts), then it’s STILL probably like 90% lost which is just wild.

[-] trailing9@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

Is it history and not ancient times if it is not recorded?

I would like to add:

Imagine all of the recorded history that was destroyed.

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[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 51 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Want to feel sadder? Humanity has existed on Earth in its current form for about 200,000 years.

We've only had civilization for about 10,000.

That means humans spent about 180,000 years throwing rocks, sticks, and presumably feces at each other in the dirt before we entertained the idea of working together for mutual benefit. With all of our present senses and capacities at our disposal.

Just incase anyone ever wonders why it's so difficult for humanity to do what's best for itself. We only do what's in our best interests after we've fully exhausted all the bad options several times over.

[-] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 77 points 11 months ago

that's not really true. 10,000 years ago is about when we developed agriculture, stopped roaming as much, and started writing in some form that could survive the millennia, but we've been living and working together since long before we were ever recognizably human.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago

In addition, we keep pushing key invention dates back further and further as we discover more archaeological evidence. It’s quite possible we were doing human things long before we think we did.

[-] whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago

This is another thing that seems really weird to me. The explosion of technological development in the last 300 years or so compared to the preceding several thousand is pretty wild.

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

What boiling water with coal does to a motherfucker.

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[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 6 points 11 months ago

We never stopped throwing feces and I guarantee we were more close to each other in prehistory than we are now. We've been waging war for as long as we could record it.

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[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 33 points 11 months ago

They're crying because of the comma

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[-] dudinax@programming.dev 32 points 11 months ago

Here's something even sadder. We only need history because human lives are so short.

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago

I mean... Even if you lived forever one person can't remember everything

[-] crypticthree@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

I can't even remember most of high school

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[-] kautau@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Which, to bring some happiness into this, we are the only species that we know of that can record our history, no matter how short our lives are. So since most of our content produced now is tik tok, that will be our new history 😁😀😀😬😐😕😥😭

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[-] Bread@sh.itjust.works 26 points 11 months ago

The real problem we have now is that there is so much information, we cannot store it all. You can't just throw things out either because you truly have no idea what seemingly worthless things we produce are going to be deemed of significant value later on.

That old blurry photograph of your great aunt with a photo bomb of some random dude? It is the only photo of the zodiac killer. That random shitty video in portrait mode of you driving through your home town in Kansas is the only surviving footage of what used to exist there before the 2046 asteroid impact that wiped out the state.

You just never know what truly matters until its gone.

Just keep extending the horizon until it doesn't matter again 😌

[-] xX_fnord_Xx@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Data hoarder identified.

This thinking is why my mother's house is full of useless crap that she thinks belongs in a museum.

What museum? The broken camera-chipped pottery-photographs of children museum?

[-] xX_fnord_Xx@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Sorry that I ranted on you. I clearly have an issue with my mother's hoarding.

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[-] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

And most of what was recorded is logistics and propaganda.

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[-] Blapoo@lemmy.ml 21 points 11 months ago

Sometimes, when hiking, I'll see something incredible, and when I go to capture it in a photo, it just doesn't come out the same.

Those vistas are allllll for me

[-] PhreakyByNature@feddit.uk 6 points 11 months ago

Glowworm Caves yesterday, many sunsets, the impact of the view of rolling hills on your eyes vs recorded etc.

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[-] Wage_slave@lemmy.ml 20 points 11 months ago

And you are ultimately going to die as part of that 90% that won't be remembered for anything at all no matter how big of a deal you view yourself in any form function or manner.

Me too. It won't be so bad. Unless they check the hard drive. Oh buddy then we're historically remembered. Like, that's a lotta porn.

[-] grahamja@reddthat.com 5 points 11 months ago

The thought of having your digital foot print live on forever was kind of neat, but most of it wasn't worth remembering or will probably get deleted after a few decades anyways. Future generations will ever know about the witty banter on yahoo answers.

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[-] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 20 points 11 months ago

Anyone who has ever had to dig through an overly verbose log file is fine with this. 90% of what happens is tediously mundane.

[-] outofemailaliases@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 11 months ago

yes but how much of that history is important? no doubt its still the majority, but i suspect that some of that 90% you mention is just some random irrelevant persons life. i should also mention that i am not a historian nor a statistics person so take what i say with a grain of salt.

[-] UnverifiedAPK@lemmy.ml 27 points 11 months ago

90% of the bullet points are unrecorded. If we're counting every Joe Smoe, then 99.9999...% is unrecorded.

[-] BluesF@feddit.uk 5 points 11 months ago

I would say considering homo sapiens have been around for ~250,000 years we need a lot of decimal places... if you want to consider prior homo species that's 2.8 million years and honestly you might as well call it 100%.

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

Eh, I'm not sure as much is truly lost as one might currently think.

There's a number of things that seem more like an issue of history as a field having challenges in undue influence of academic popularity contests and subspecialty isolation.

For example, the face of the historical basis for Helen of Troy has likely been on modern magazine covers, we just haven't broadly realized it because most modern historians throw out Herodotus wholesale so they've ignored the details in his version of the Helen narrative, which happens to connect the events to part of Egypt's history that's been similarly poorly evaluated by scholarship to date.

Even the way Homer and the Trojan War narrative gets handled is pretty ass backwards, with scholars preferring to just hand wave it as mythological history rather than seeing it as having combined a history of the Mycenaean conquest of Anatolia in the LBA with a later sea peoples capture of Wilusa back from the Hittites in the EIA (it has rather impressive levels of detail around events tied to both these things).

We see modern debates about whether the Exodus narrative occurred or not as described in the Bible but there's very little investigation into the Greek and Egyptian accounts of the same which differ significantly from the Biblical version (notably about it being ethnocentric), even claiming the latter version was altered. Versions that might be quite relevant to recent archeological finds like the Aegean style pottery with local clay in Tel Dan or the imported bees from Anatolia in Tel Rehov.

Give it time. A lot of big topics that are generally dismissed or thought to be lost today might not still seem that way within a generation or two.

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[-] ProvokedGamer@lemmy.ca 16 points 11 months ago

What’s more awful? Most of the history we know is biased in favour of the winners.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 20 points 11 months ago

There's lots of sources from the losing side. Josephus was a Jewish writer who told of the Roman destruction of the temple. The history of the Eastern Front of WWII, as it was known to the West, was dominated by the writings of German soldiers for a long time.

History is written by writers. For much of it, that means it comes to us from an educated upper class. That's where the historical blind spots are.

[-] JesusLikesYourButt@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I take issue with describing Josephus as a part of the 'losing' side. Josephus had defected and was working as an interpretor for Titus while Titus was conducting the seige on Jerusalem in 70 AD. He took on the Roman emperor's family name, Flavius. He firmly sits on the 'winning' side, with the Romans.

Plus later on Christian's were the ones copying his books, not Jews, since he was viewed as a turncoat by his own people. So his books were preserved by the 'winning' side as well.

Not saying he should be completely disregarded or written off as a historian, just that he wasn't part of any 'losing' side of history.

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[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago

In 150 years historians will be lamenting that we recorded everything we did and now they have to sift through terrabytes of memes, pointless arguments, and outright misdirection to get at anything resembling truth.

[-] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

“In a way [my undertaking] is an entirely original science. In fact, I have not come across a discussion along these lines anywhere. I do not know if this is because people have been unaware of it...[but] perhaps [people] have written exhaustively on this topic, and their work did not reach us... The knowledge that has not come down to us is, after all, larger than the knowledge that has. Where are the sciences of the Persians...the Chaldaeans, the Syrians, the Babylonians...the Copts and their predecessors? The sciences of only one people, the Greeks, have come down to us...as for the sciences of others, nothing remains.”

Ibn Khaldun, 1332-1406 (as translated by Rosenthal)

[-] CantaloupeAss@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

omg thank u comrade new book to search for: Ibn Khaldun's Muqaddimah

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[-] GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 11 months ago

Life isn't worth living just because it will be written down, so what if no one remembers, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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[-] Faresh@lemmy.ml 14 points 11 months ago

I don't think your title is grammatically correct. «very» starts with a consonant and therefore should be «Does it not pierce thy very heart?».

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

The one good thing about leddit is that someone else usually writes comments like this, meaning I don't feel compelled to.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago

This is why I'm really hoping that the idea of quantum archeology turns out to be more science than bullshit.

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[-] bdkmshr@monyet.cc 11 points 11 months ago

I just want to know the lost and unrecorded meme that has so much potential

[-] MDKAOD@lemmy.ml 20 points 11 months ago
[-] fox@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago

This was the peak. Every meme since this fella has been "thing good, thing bad".

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[-] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

I see it the other way around, we managed to pass on civilization for our children for 90% of the history without writing it down

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Your brain deliberately forgets trivial stuff. Do you really need to remember every lunch you had? Same goes for all the mundane stuff in history.

On the other hand so little of the mundane stuff was recorded that when we do see it it can be a window into how people actually lived, like Samuel Pepys diary. The daily stuff was so accepted as boring and common knowledge that it wasn't considered worth recording.

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[-] 3valc@mujico.org 6 points 11 months ago

Most of it was shit anyway and current history is shit too so it doesn’t matter.

[-] KoogPhace@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Until we figure out time travel that is!

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