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"It's simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago," said Samuel Negron, a Pennsylvania state constable and member of the large Puerto Rican community in the city of Allentown.

Donald Trump achieved a decisive victory over Kamala Harris, capturing key demographics that traditionally supported Democrats. He gained substantial support from white working-class voters, saw a 14-point increase among Latino voters, and performed better than expected with younger voters, especially men.

Economic concerns, particularly inflation, were central to Trump’s appeal, with voters across states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin favoring his promises of lower prices and stricter immigration policies.

Harris struggled to retain support in diverse and working-class areas, as voters blamed Democrats for economic hardships.

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[-] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 163 points 1 month ago

Reading that article is a serious indictment of economic literacy in the United States. People don't understand what role the president plays in the economy, what causes inflation, or how and why interest rates change. They draw really superficial causal links and don't think about it after that; it's fact to them.

It's reasons like this education may be the single most critical issue, since we can't make progress on the climate or anything else if the population is incapable of critical thinking. I hate to say it like this because it feels patronizing, but Jesus fucking Christ.

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 109 points 1 month ago

They didn't gut the public educational system on accident, things are functioning as designed.

[-] 1SimpleTailor@startrek.website 35 points 1 month ago

A few weeks ago a poor POC came up to me trying to convince me to vote Trump because "Trump will put money in your pocket"

I asked him what he meant by that, thinking his reasoning would be tax cuts or inflation. Alas, his reasoning was that he thought the COVID stimulus checks came from Trump's personal wealth and that him winning the presidency again would mean we would get more.

It was when I noticed the other people around me agreeing with him that I knew we were doomed. What can man do against such reckless ignorance?

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[-] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

That's by design.

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[-] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 144 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"It's simple, really, I'm just a piece of shit who doesn't give a fuck about anyone but myself and I'm dumb enough to think that our beloved Leader won't fuck us when he starts fucking the rest of the country"

[-] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 101 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

More like "it's simple really. I'm spending $1 more on eggs than I did during a pandemic, so I'm gonna vote for the person taking photos with breakfast food"

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

I'm not sure how much this explains the Latino vote, but I heard some pundit yesterday make a halfway decent point about how a $1 increase hits harder when you live in a rural area where wages tend to be lower to begin with.

[-] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 55 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah. But wages are low because they refuse to address any sort of wage legislation too. They keep kicking themselves in the dick and then wonder why their crotch hurts.

[-] Soup@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

It must be the taxes! You know, the ones they either already don’t pay or wouldn’t pay if they could read literally any details about the proposed tax.

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[-] Chozo@fedia.io 111 points 1 month ago

"It's simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago,"

You liked living in a crumbling economy riddled with mass unemployment and caused by a fumbled pandemic response that resulted in thousands of preventable deaths? Because that's where we were 4 years ago. That's the economy Trump gave us the first time.

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Trump's policy was just juicing the system for short term gain which can go on for quite a while in good times but when you're at 0% interest already at the START of a pandemic and economic crisis it's obvious you've been much too irresponsible with the economy.

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[-] ech@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago

resulted in thousands of preventable deaths

Millions, and it's still climbing thanks in large part to his decision to politicize public health.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 88 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

“It’s simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago,” said Samuel Negron, a Pennsylvania state constable and member of the large Puerto Rican community in the city of Allentown.

His buddy called your homeland garbage.

He didn't give a shit.

[-] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago

Things were absolute shit four years ago. Do these people have amnesia? The economy during the beginning of the Trump presidency was great because of Obama. Trump quickly fucked that up and ended his presidency with a near collapse of our economy.

These people are idiots.

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[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago

I wonder how many of these are second generation immigrants. I'm very much generalizing here, but they can frequently be some of the most "fuck you got mine" people throughout history (like, a lot of Irish and Italian Americans second generations voted for all sorts of racist douchebags up and down the eastern seaboard in the 1960s-1990s, I think a similar thing happened with German Americans and Polish Americans in the Midwest).

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

I have never understood that. My dad was an immigrant and he always told me about how I should be grateful for where I lived (which I somewhat was until Wednesday morning) and welcoming to people like him who came here from different places. He always said he was "American by choice" and felt that was a choice that was important to offer to others.

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[-] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 76 points 1 month ago

How the fuck can they say it was better 4 years ago. Do they mean right before Covid hit? Right before people lost their jobs and the dumbass politicized an illness? Right before people couldn't get baby formula? Right before people started fighting for fucking toilet paper? Before people started dying?

Dumb, dumb motherfuckers. You won't be at the table, you're going to be on the table, a table you built, and torn apart with knives you sharpened. You dumb fucks.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

I think Trump bullshits well, then inherited good economy and whatnot from Obama, started canceling all that shit, which Biden then has been trying to fix and now Trump gets it again.

Policies take time to show and that's something these people didn't account for, imo.

Dumb, dumb motherfuckers.

Hard agree.

[-] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 month ago

Everyone ignores that Trump took a booming economy and turned it into almost a recession on his first term.

Covid covered it up while he completely fucked up handling it too. He made it far far worse than doing nothing and hiding in a bunker. He actively withheld medical aid and caused countless deaths.

But somehow he has over 50m supporters instead of a jail cell.

I honestly don't know how this country can recover when the right can drown out facts and rewrite history with lies.

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[-] kikutwo@lemmy.world 66 points 1 month ago

Gee, what didn't we have yet four years ago? Oh, that's right, a global pandemic shutdown and the resulting stimulus. Definitely the fault of the Dems.

[-] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 month ago

Dumb people: BuT STiMuLUS cHeCKS!

[-] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 60 points 1 month ago

As a Latino, I'm gonna mother fuck and cuss out any Latino I meet who voted Trump.

Yup. I live in the FSA (fucked states of america), am latina and I know a few of those fuckers. Beyond disappointing

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 59 points 1 month ago

4 years ago...in the height of COVID?

You know you won't be given a phone call or sent a new driver's license or something when we've entered idiocracy. You'll just wake up one day and be in it. And that one day was about two days ago.

Welcome to Costco, I love you.

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Idiocracy would be an upgrade, it has a president who listened to people smarter than himself.

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[-] suburban_hillbilly@lemmy.ml 51 points 1 month ago

Y'all can be furious with this guy if you want, but he's probably the most important person to be listening to. The block that determines elections has always been the sizable mass of extremely low information voters who don't have any strong political affiliations and vote mainly because of some vague sense of civic duty.

They aren't interested in economic and foreign policy debates. They don't care about intangibles like democratic norms and the rule of law. They don't want to hear your class analysis or how qualified you are to give it. The only question they're considering is "Has life been going well for me and the people in my community that I care about?" That's it. It's a vibe check.

Good vibes? Vote for those in power. Bad vibes? Vote against those in power.

This is the voter you need to convince if you want to win.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago

the sizable mass of extremely low information voters

If this was the 1920s you'd have a point. Hell, the 1950s, 60's even.

It's 2024. There's a huge mass of information in every square inch of the world now. There's no excuse for being so goddamned stupid.

"Out here, you pay $5 for a dozen eggs. It used to be $1, or even 99 cents," Mr Negron added. "A lot of us have woken up, in my opinion, from Democratic lies that things have been better. We realised things were better then."

Listen to that fucking garbage. "Democratic lies" "We realised things were better then". That's right wing media copypasta if there ever was any.

Absolute fucking shitheaded moron fuck who's screwed us all to ingratiate himself with nazis.

[-] suburban_hillbilly@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Like I said, be mad if you want. Doesn't change anything. His vote still counts the same as mine and everybody else's. You still live in a world where you need that guy to be on your side. You can either shout at the wind that the world isn't the way you think it should be or figure out how to improve the world that is actually in front of you.

Absolute fucking shitheaded moron fuck who’s screwed us all to ingratiate himself with nazis.

Guy isn't trying to ingratiate himself with anybody. He just told you what he was trying to do—make the world better for himself and his family. In particular, he wants to spend less on groceries. Low information voters might not be able to connect the dots between supreme court nominations, monetary policy, and broad economic trends, but they will unfailingly notice they're spending 20% more on groceries than they did four years ago. You want to point out that it's not the Democrats fault inflation ballooned out of control? I'm right there with you. I voted that way in Pennsylvania. That guy doesn't care. He voted the other way because he wants cheaper groceries and as far as he can tell, Democrats didn't get it done. Calling him a moron and Nazi ally isn't going to change that.

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[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 49 points 1 month ago

“We saw a huge difference when Trump was president,” Dietzler said, adding that he was drawn to Trump’s embrace of former Democrats like Robert F Kennedy Jr

These people are morons. And they're happy about it.

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[-] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 1 month ago

I'm calling it. The Fed will start gradually lowering its interest rates down to near 0 as the stock market booms with cheap money. The news will show troubling social and geopolitical problems that will be quickly swept over by the latest Dow Jones and S&P 500 values getting to absurd heights. People will start grumbling about the nation's problems again while Trump will say it's the "Deep State" causing all of this and pointing the finger at Democrats and undocumented immigrants.

Inflation starts to spike again at the start of the 4th year of Trump's presidency. Even more people will start to go homeless as the average monthly cost of a 1 bedroom apartment soars to $3k. If Trump is still "healthy", the Supreme Court will declare a sitting president can hold on to power during times of emergency and cancel US elections.

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[-] dan1101@lemm.ee 43 points 1 month ago

The president doesn't have magical knobs that will lower the prices of eggs or fuel.

We are still feeling the effects of post-Covid economy, materials and products got expensive and most never came back down. The president can't do anything about that unless they are going to interfere with the free market. Really ignorant of people to vote for Trump on that basis.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 43 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Too many ignorant dumbasses that can't understand the concept of delayed effects. The upturn in the economy during Trump's last time in office was a delayed effect of Obama's administration. The shit we're in now is because of Trump's. This shit has happened every single time a Republican has been in office during my life. They fuck everything up, but the effects aren't seen until they're gone.

Outside of the economy: This dumb orange prick was in office during the height of the COVID pandemic and people are still dying from that. If you think it was better 4 years ago, you must have been hiding under a rock.

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[-] CptEnder@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago

It's simple, really. You and your loved ones will be the first to be tossed on buses when they start collecting people. Enjoy 😊

^ no I'm not remotely happy about this. But I guess people gotta find out that hard way.

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[-] oxjox@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

We liked the way things were four years ago,

Apparently I am the one who has been living in an alternative reality for the past eight years.

All the headlines today are about how the democrats screwed up. What I have not seen discussed is how in the everlivingingfuck any person could possibly vote for Trump. There was nothing good about his presidency. By all measures, he was one of the worst presidents in American history (while Biden was one of the best in modern times).

We all, myself included, need an education about what the president does and how they can impact kitchen table economics. I mean, I find it hard to grasp that people would vote for Trump just because the cost of bread is up while ignoring the pages of lies, indictments, convictions, rapes, bankruptcies, coup attempts, impeachments, not to mention hate speech. I hope people still don't have the belief that the US president has any substantial impact on gas prices. The economic efforts of the Biden administration have fixed everything that Trump screwed up.

I still don't think people know what inflation is. And while we all have the world's information in our pockets, no-one cares enough to look it up. Inflation goes up because the demand for goods is higher than the supply - meaning either we were buying too much crap and/or there were environmental variables decreasing supply. Inflation happened because of the government stimulus checks, supply chain issues, and disease spread across livestock - it's a feature, not a bug. I get that all they care about is their grocery store bill but a basic understanding of economic policy would go a really long way. The Democratic policies, past and proposed, put consumer (and livestock) protections in place to prevent or minimize price gouging and monopolies and supply chain disruptions. The Republicans fight these bills because it would cut profits for corporations. Voting for a Republican is a vote for less regulation - it's the regulations that keep prices down. Unfortunately, government moves slow AF so a lot of times these regulations don't have an impact until the next president's term.

By all accounts, Trump is going to drain our wallets. I am terrified. I haven't had a raise in over ten years. I don't really have a skill set that can transfer well to other companies. I'm a renter with an amazing landlord (relatively cheap rent) but I was hoping to buy a house sometime in my lifetime. What Trump has proposed is going to substantially raise the prices of good and services. The Republican agenda is to strip the country of public services and make them private enterprises - raising the cost of living for everyone. I really don't know what I'm going to do for the next four years.

It's not the faulty of Democrats. It's the fault of the media and capitalism. It's the fault of crumbling journalism as people choose hot take emotional rage bait over educating themselves to understand why we are where we are. It's the fault of the DNC and RNC being too powerful and their fight against reasonable elections such as RCV or STAR voting. It's the fault of corporations controlling congress. The conspiracy that no one wants to acknowledge is that we're moving towards a country that is privately owned by a handful of billionaires.

[-] Brumefey@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

The Republican agenda is to strip the country of public services and make them private enterprises

Feedback from an European country : everything privatised in the last 15 years became more expensive for a worse quality of service. Belgian electricity market, phone, France electricity, etc …

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[-] Tedesche@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

Trump voters are stupid and have poor memories.

Except for the ones who are just plain evil.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

“It’s simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago,” said Samuel Negron, a Pennsylvania state constable and member of the large Puerto Rican community in the city of Allentown.

They apparently liked being stuck in their house while the entire economy tanked, they had to wipe their ass with their own hands, and a dumb ass told them that we'd perhaps look into injecting cleaners to protect themselves from a novel virus that was killing anywhere from 3-10% of the people that initially got it...because that was four years ago.

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[-] irotsoma@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Basically, people are dumb and think that the current economic situation reflects only current policy, whereas in reality it takes several years for a policy to affect the economy significantly. I mean i don't have any love for Biden, but the fact that the inflation started at the end of Trump's presidency and continued into Biden's was due primarily to Trump policy. The fact that it slowed finally is due to Biden policy, but now that Trump is taking over, he'll take responsibility and immediately go back to policy that breaks the economy again, but only at the end of his term. This is one reason he's unlikely succeed for long if he to tries to seize power illegally and would have been way worse off if he had won his second term. His policy effects would be under his watch. Also why single term presidents are often less reviled than two term ones historically.

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

Some immigrants, once they become established in a country, will then seek to stop other immigrants, even of the same ethnicity, culture or ancestry, from doing what they did. They'll pull up the ladder behind them.

[-] qarbone@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Yeah, more confirmation that being a shithead isn't cultural. It's an individuals problem that is unfortunately ubiquitous.

[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 month ago

Inb4 they get deported and denaturalized.

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