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Summary

President Joe Biden’s economic achievements—lowering inflation, reducing gas prices, creating jobs, and boosting manufacturing—are largely unrecognized by the public, despite his successes.

His tenure saw landmark legislation like the Inflation Reduction Act, CHIPS Act, and major infrastructure investments.

However, Biden's approval ratings remain low, attributed to inflation backlash, weak communication, and a media landscape prone to misinformation.

Democrats face a “propaganda problem” rather than a policy failure, with many voters likely to credit incoming President Trump for Biden’s accomplishments due to partisan messaging and social media dynamics.

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[-] BMTea@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago

Opinion: I Lost Because I Didn't Do Anything Wrong and Have no Lessons to Learn

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 52 points 2 days ago

Consider this.

A few weeks before the election Donald Trump and Elon Musk had a little circle jerk podcast interview with each other. They spent time talking about how anti-union they are and how much they hate worker’s rights. Then working class Americans went out in droves and voted for those two rich assholes who openly talked about wishing workers had less rights.

We made a guy who was the first president in U.S. history to stand on a picket line with striking workers step down because he was old. Then we hired another equally old rich guy who openly talks about wishing workers had less rights.

Americans. Are. Stupid.

Our situation isn’t going to get better any time soon. For those of us who aren't boomers, we're basically locked into a lifetime of economic hardship.

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[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

No shit! Say it with me:

Conservatives control the media. Conservatives control the narrative. Reality does not reflect what people see.

When overnight the Joe Rogan interview with Trump had over 40 million views, the issue becomes clear.

[-] Emerald@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

overnight

Not overnight, 3 days

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Fair. Looks like it was 26 million on Youtube alone in the first 24 hours, not counting Apple, Spotify, and others.

biden getting flak over inflation is fucking hilarious.

The fed is literally irrelevant to the president, the president does not control inflation. Sure maybe his spending increased inflation. But the entire global economy was at a practical stand still. If you think getting a seized ICE working again is hard, try it with a global economy.

You can bitch all you want about inflation, but at the end of the day, nobody really knows what the right solution here was. We could've gone through another great depression event if not for global stimulus. And a few years of bad inflation and high costs will beat literally starving.

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[-] Juigi@lemm.ee 47 points 2 days ago

Average american seems to be easily manipulated, especially if its about politics. No fact checking, just going with "gut" feeling.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

Always has been.

Problem is their "gut" feelings are now from conservative radio/podcasts and facebook feeds, instead of a mix of papers and friends like before.

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[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 32 points 2 days ago

It's not even a propaganda problem, per se, because most people aren't obsessively following the news and economic reports.

It's how they feel about money.

That was the biggest single issue.

People looked at grocery store prices and said, this is nuts, I was paying half this just four years ago.

It doesn't matter to them that global inflation skyrocketed along with inflation in the US, or that we're doing better than the rest of the world right now. They want to see prices go down, even though that would be deflation, which is incredibly bad for an economy.

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It’s not even a propaganda problem, per se, because most people aren’t obsessively following the news and economic reports.

i HIGHLY disagree with you.

Even if you're a relatively disconnected right winger, who listens to fox news or the daily wire a couple of times of week, the propaganda is so fucking blatant it will still completely indoctrinate you after a few years.

like to be clear, any right winger that obsessively follows the news is literally ben shapiro or alex jones. There is no "moderate" here unfortunately.

[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Even if you’re a relatively disconnected right winger

I'm not talking about relatively disconnected right wingers; I'm talking about people that are largely centrist, and not paying attention to Fox, NBC, CNN, or any newspapers, and gets all of their 'news' from social media. I guess you'd call them the hoi poloi; they're low-information voters (or no information voters), and mostly apathetic as long as they feel like they're getting by. Policy won't matter to them very much; they're voting on feels.

any right winger that obsessively follows the news is literally ben shapiro or alex jones.

That depends. There are a number of people that are extremely fiscally conservative that have zero interest in culture wars issues. Most of them have defected from the Republican party entirely though, because they see that the current iteration of the Republican party is deeply harmful to the kind of conservatism that they stand for. But that kind of conservative hasn't really been popular since about the time that Newt Gingritch was trying to stir up the country against a president that didn't keep his dick in his pants.

[-] VoterFrog@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Social media is where most of the blatantly false propaganda lives. Getting all of your news from it makes you more susceptible to propaganda, not less. These are people who have nothing to form an opinion with except for what the loudest people around them are complaining about most. And propagandists are the loudest ones, complaining about made up bullshit.

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[-] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

His adminstration may have not created them. But the neoliberal Democrats that he represents did going all the way back to Clinton.

He also only deployed half measures or dragged his feet all the way until the last minute.

[-] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 275 points 3 days ago

Because Americans are some of the stupidest people in the world.

[-] Soup@lemmy.world 148 points 3 days ago

What, the country with all the resources but still ranks 36th in literacy and 54% of their adults can’t even read above a 6th grade level?

Literacy info.

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[-] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 117 points 3 days ago

Basically every American I personally know lives paycheque-to-paycheque as megacorps move in to bleed them dry on every front.

[-] Backlog3231@reddthat.com 64 points 3 days ago

So its a good thing that Biden used the SEC to break up monopolies and used the FTC to implement things like click-to-cancel, and invested 5 trillion dollars in the middle class and green energy manufacturing. Oh and he also tried to pass student debt relief but kept being stonewalled by repugnants.

Biden was the first president to turn away from neoliberalism this century and everyone is upset he didn't magically fix everything all at once.

Bidens problem has been one of messaging. He didn't know how to connect with the voters to get them to understand all the things he was doing.

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[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

Same shit as always, the (relative) left actually does make an attempt to keep its promises but no on hears about it because the right wing own 90% of the media.

[-] dirthawker0@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

I swear for every positive story about something Biden did, there were 3 or 4 about Trump just being Trump: saying some outrageous lie, gaffes, and of course all the crimes. He's sucked all the air out of the room for 10 years and now we're going to have another 4. All news, positive or negative, is publicity.

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[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Remember when he first got elected and people blamed covid on him as a joke (it happened before he was in office)
...then now people actually believe it

Edit: point proven.

[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Remember 8+y of "Thanks Obama" when the dude passed a healthcare act that got tens of millions affordable coverage?

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[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 109 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I am so God damn sick of reading articles from pundits who think they can just numbers-and-statistics away people's financial experience. Listen to this shit:

America has recovered more quickly and more completely than almost any comparable country. As The Economist put it, “The American economy has left other rich countries in the dust.” Real wages have risen fastest for those at the bottom of the income scale. Today, inflation is at 2.4%, compared with the 9.1% peak in June 2022. The fight against rising prices has essentially been won.

But few in the electorate seem aware...

Wow, the electorate sounds like a bunch of dipshits. But just for the hell of it, let's check their source for the wages of the bottom income scale. According to the Economic Policy Institute, real wages grew 13.2% between 2019 and 2023. Now, inflation was 19.2% during that period, but "real wage," means, "wage adjusted for inflation," so I guess the author is right. The lowest income earners got a raise during the Biden years. Guess the poor are a bunch of dipshits.

But which of Biden's policies led to these increases in wages? Well, the Economic Policy Institute says:

Between 2019 and 2023, state-level minimum wage increases along with a tight labor market have translated into faster real wage growth for low-wage workers, particularly faster growth in states (and D.C.) that increased their minimum wage during this period.

So, it sounds like the wages went up because of a competitive labor market (which the Fed intentionally killed to combat inflation) and minimum wage increases at the state level, and that states that increased their minimum wages saw more of that growth than others. So, you could make an argument that Biden deserves little credit for this increase, but let's not even worry about that. Let's see look at the minimum wage by state.

The EPI has a handy Minimum Wage Tracker that color-codes states by their state minimum wage against the federal minimum wage. A quick glance shows you the states with the highest minimum wage are mostly states that went to Harris. But what's really interesting is that, of the 7 key battleground states that Harris lost, 4 of them (Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin) have the same minimum wage as the federal minimum of $7.25, a starvation wage that hasn't been raised since 2009. So it's not unreasonable to assume that in more than half the key states Harris needed win saw the smallest share of that 13.2%, but did see prices increase by 19.2%.

Now, I'm not an economist, and I don't have hours to research this shit, so it's entirely possible that I'm missing a lot of nuance regarding cost of living and non-minimum wage increases in these states. But that's not the point. The point is that I've already spent more time and energy examining why people might not feel good about the economy than the sneering chud that wrote this article. And I'll end this tirade with one last quote from the EPI report he cited:

Wage rates remain insufficient for individuals and families working to make ends meet. Nowhere can a worker at the 10th percentile of the wage distribution earn enough to meet a basic family budget.

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[-] splonglo@lemmy.world 51 points 3 days ago

Americans are misinformed because the media has been destroyed by financial incentives and the capital class.

[-] Kalysta@lemm.ee 17 points 2 days ago

No, voters punished Biden for his inability to effectively communicate what he’s done to help them. This has been a consistent problem with the democrats, and with corporate media. Democrats need better spokespeople and better messaging.

They also need to stop catering to the ultra rich and moderate republicans because that shit turns off the base faster than crap messaging. There is no “liz cheney, nikki hayley” constituency as we saw last Tuesday.

[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You’re right that Dems need better messaging and to stop catering to the ultra rich. At the same time, we can’t discount the propaganda messaging that the article mentions. Not being in their echo chambers means not being exposed to the bulk of it, and that is great. At the same time, it means being disconnected from what a lot of people are basing their opinions on.

For a few years, up until the start of this year, I had a job that required interacting with families in people’s homes. If I had a choice, I would’ve preferred to avoid the right-wingers… but gotta do what you gotta do.

Some households were pure poison: hate-driven parents who constantly belched up Fox news topics. These parents normally communicated with their kids through complaining and screaming. But if a kid made some quip about “Biden sucks,” they got a brief moment where their parents would actually laugh. The reinforcing power of that toxic dynamic cannot be understated.

It’s no wonder that a lot of kids in those circumstances end up eager to repeat the same crap their parents say. In the time that I worked that job, a lot of the commentary was Biden-centric, making him a convenient punching bag that even the smallest fists could reach (even if they had no idea what they were doing/saying.)

Dems have a lot of improvements to make, but it would take a lot more than “improved messaging” to overcome the sheer power of this propaganda culture.

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[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 66 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

…no.

The DNC brain trust thought they could get away with ignoring an absolutely fucking HUGE part of their base. And they were fucking WRECKED for it.

Trump got just about the same number of votes as he did in the last election. Harris got 11M less votes than Biden got. ELEVEN. MILLION. PEOPLE. STAYED THE FUCK HOME. BECAUSE THEY SAW THE ESTABLISHMENT CIRCLEJERK. AND HARRIS FUCKING LEANED INTO IT. AND IGNORED THE VERY FUCKING REAL LIVED EXPERIENCE OF THE MIDDLE CLASS GETTING HOLLOWED OUT, AND THE LOWER CLASS CONTINUING TO GET CRUSHED TO DEATH.

And now we get to listen to pundits and DNC leadership and Biden admin people and Harris campaign people circlejerk themselves about how it wasn’t their fault, it was those goddamn progressives and the stupid Arab Americans who cared about Gaza too much.

Genuinely: fuck all the way off with that narrative. the Democratic Party snatched this defeat from the jaws of victory. There was a path to victory. They simply didn’t fucking take it.

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