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I am at an accepting stage that not everything that happens in your life is in your control. When things goes really bad and you dont have much control on it, I would assume a person who believes in god or religious figures has their belief system as a coping mechanism. For example praying to the god and so on.

I passed that stage where you believe a single entity has a complete control of each and everything happens in this entire universe. So falling back to god and thinking it is all according to the plan and he will find out some solution is not really an option for me. At the sametime I also acknowlede that there are some gray areas where science can't provide a logical explanation so as to why this is happening to some of the life events.

So to atheists of lemmy, how do you cope up with shits that happens in your life that you can't explain logically and you really don't have much control?

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[-] morphballganon@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago

We atheists are quite capable of talking to imaginary friends too. We just have no delusions that they're real.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

I know I've asked for more than a few things to please work out. Couldn't tell you who I was asking though.

[-] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

So true, when things get tough I kneel in front of my poster of Sephiroth and mumble incoherently about the Lifestream.

Works as well as when I used to pray tbh.

[-] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

Ride the wave of chaos on your surfboard of acceptance and enjoy the ride, it's all we've got.

[-] benignintervention@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The only time I truly feel alive

[-] Im_old@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

What do you mean by "cope"? How do I explain it? Either shit happens because of bad luck (e.g. A bird shits on me) or because someone did something wrong (e.g. Somebody got distracted while driving and broke my side mirror). It's not supernatural entity, it's just statistical probability.

How do I cope mentally? Tv, videogames, a beer o two and a nice meal. Talk to my wife. Remember to play with my kids.

[-] spittingimage@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

I've always found it easier to accept that the universe is fundamentally random and today is my turn in the barrel than wonder why God did this to me.

[-] Dick_Justice@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

I accept the fact that I don't understand everything, and I get high.

[-] Daaric@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

If I can't have control over shit happening, then I just don't care.

I think it was Další Lama who said: "If a problem has a solution, there is no reason to worry. If there is no solution, worrying will not help."

[-] Sukisuki@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Can you elaborate what you mean by things that science can't explain?

Everything came from randomness and is mostly narrated by it, and there's no escape from it. You may hit the lottery or end up with a rare fatal disease any time, your life will be changed and there's nothing you can do about it. It's not about god granting you awards or punishing you, it just happens. From this POV getting depressed because I went through x feels like getting depressed because water flows.

Life is painful, also joyful, beautiful and really ugly, gross and amazing. You're supposed to fall, get hurt and then get up and run a bit more until you can't anymore. Every good and bad thing will pass in time

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[-] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Honestly, I think we have it a lot easier than the theists in that regard. If someone dings my car, I find that my dog has cancer, or I lose my job, I don’t have to address the problem of evil. I don’t need to figure out how to square the idea of an omnipotent and omnibenevolent god with misfortune. I don’t need to wonder if I am being punished or tested, and I don’t have to worry about prayers that aren’t being answered.

There are multiple non-theistic philosophies and religions that offer a framework for understanding and coping with negative events. Neither Buddhism nor Taoism have an explicit dependency on anything supernatural, especially in the schools and forms most popular in the West. The general idea is that we need to be less attached to certain outcomes and that our suffering arises more from our wanting the world to be how it isn’t.

There’s also a large number of non-theistic schools in Western philosophy that have taken their own various approaches to questions ranging from the meaning of life and the meaning of suffering to how to identify and pursue the good. There’s multiple schools of existentialism, of course, but I would even think that writings on the nature of justice (eg John Rawls, Michael Sandel, Peter Singer), the nature of the ego and human experience (eg Thomas Metzinger), and even works of film and literature can help approach an understanding, which is itself perhaps the best coping mechanism.

[-] name_NULL111653@pawb.social 5 points 1 year ago

Don't rule out Nietzsche either, with his ideas on the creation of your moral system, becoming a "god" unto yourself, exercising will through art, and will-to-power by helping others (and thus altering their lives and will in a much more effective way than harming them as a "show of force" / what most think of as power). I highly recommend studying his thinking very deeply when anyone abandons the idea of god. And remember, even though god is dead, in thus spoke Zarathustra the character (representing one of us, who knows that god is dead) never told that to the monk, but rather envied his ability to believe. Believing in a god is by far better than taking that responsibility on yourself, but for us, it is no longer possible. We ought to envy that kind of belief.

But at the same time, any dogma that harms us or others (Christo-fascism, all forms of theocracy, etc.) is objectively bad except to those in charge of it. Which is no one except one who "speaks for god," and protestant Christianity has abandoned such a figure and taken on a life of its' own. It helps no one, not even a person in power, and thus should be abolished.

But as I said, I envy those who hold other beliefs. For now we must take the responsibilities of god onto our own shoulders.

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[-] willya@lemmyf.uk 14 points 1 year ago

Music, poetry, booze.

[-] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

I'm not a control freak, I know that most things in life are outside my control, and I'm generally fine with it. And when those things outside my control are bad for me, I just... accept them while doing whatever I can to make them less bad?

Two people here mentioned media and booze. For me they're refreshment; they distract me from the problem that I can't solve, but they won't help directly. (Sometimes you do need a refreshment.) Same deal with cooking or talking with my pets.

[-] mycatiskai@lemmy.one 13 points 1 year ago

Breathe, think, breathe, think, repeat. Life goes on until it doesn't. My sister died last year at 42 years old, she taught music to underprivileged children. The universe gave her a tumour in her brain so there isn't much you can do in this existence but keep breathing and thinking, until you stop doing both.

You will find beauty and ugliness, happiness and sadness, absorb it all and accept it knowing that as far as we know we are the only piece of the universe that is aware of the universe.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Can you provide an example where science cannot explain a situation, because I can't honestly think of any.

If you get sick then that's biology.
If your boiler bursts and your house floods that's an engineering problem.
If lightning strikes your house and your home burns down then that's just physics.

Just because it sucks doesn't mean science can't explain it, and it doesn't mean that it's inexplainable.

Ultimately everything is either physics or politics, both of which are very easy to understand at a basic level. Especially politics.

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[-] Stern@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago
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[-] LavaPlanet@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Radical acceptance. And then to follow, build a core of self supporting psychology structures to live by, which sounds complex, but it's just things like

Emotional regulation tools. Distress tolerance. Self support concepts.

Let me know if you want me to expand on anything.

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[-] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

Look at Stoicism. It is a very interesting philosophy from the Greeks , you can learn more here : https://youtu.be/EFkyxzJtiv4?si=ZQSdcIz58lnfl-Og

[-] Dressedlikeapenguin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

This is the best secular world view I've found. Since leaving religious thinking behind, I wondered abit between nihilism and the world is what you make it. The Dichotomy of Control really resonated with me. Funny enough, I started rereading Epictetus' Enchiridion The book, How to be a Stoic by Massimo Pigliucci is good to. I found it more accessible. Here is a video with him https://youtu.be/qjz5a8X9LjU?si=0OsptyOS7MvHiYw0

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[-] wantd2B1ofthestrokes@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have it pretty fucking good in the grand scheme of things so just remember that

[-] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 6 points 1 year ago

I live like a king compared to probably 90% of this world and 99.99999% of every human that ever lived. I am getting to see awesome and awful things even my recent ancestors couldn't grasp. And with any luck I'll kick the bucket right when the air conditioning goes out for the last time.

Sometimes I think about "legacy" but in the end the eventual heat death of the universe is gonna make that irrelevant too.

[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 8 points 1 year ago

Music, games, booze.

[-] kometes@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I make things better in ways that I can.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

, how do you cope up with shits that happens in your life that you can’t explain logically and you really don’t have much control?

You get back to work.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 7 points 1 year ago

When things go to utter shit you just...buckle down and deal with it? Turn to friends and family for support and comfort?

[-] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

some gray areas where science can't provide a logical explanation so as to why this is happening to some of the life events.

Not really sure about this one. Science doesn't have answers for really big questions, like why does the universe exist. But for stuff smaller than that, like "why do I have some disease", or "why did I lose a loved one" ... or just "why did I lose 200$ dollars at the casino" well science tells us a lot about how it's all one giant lottery we have been playing involuntarily, and we are all really bad at it.

We take chances just by existing. It's literally called a genetic lottery. We take a chance by getting in a car or stepping out onto the street to go to the market. Just by loving people we take the chance that something could take them away. Life deals you a hand. You win some, you lose some. You don't get to decide what your odds are. The best you can do is play the hand you've got. Which to be honest, is a lot less control than we tend to think we have. And even then, most of us don't play our hand all that great, cause we are thrust into the game of life without a practice round. And we are often too young and arrogant to listen to those who have come before us who already learned the hard way. Worse yet, we see few of our peer's mistakes, so we have a poor sense of what success and failure really looks like.

Science tells us about the gambler's fallacy, the human bias towards falsely thinking that the universe tends towards some kind of fairness or equilibrium which is patently false (consider how little the gambler expects "good luck" to turn bad, therefore why gamble at all if it always equalizes?). Karma doesn't mean the universe owes you exactly what you put in. Life doesn't hand out exact change.

Science also tells us about how we (humans) don't truly understand randomness. In nature, successive repetitions of some outcome of luck are vastly more common than we tend to think they are. We see a series of bad luck outcomes and say "that's not natural, this can't be real" when in fact it is often the natural laws of the universe on full display.

Despite it all, even if the game of life makes no promises to you at all, it sure as hell is better than not playing the game at all. Regarding karma, the only thing you can be sure of--and forgive me for using a dead meme but it is apt--is that you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

Edit for the pedants: gambler's fallacy actually means that past results of independent events do not predict future outcomes, but that's basically what I just said.

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

When things go poorly for me, I just remember that everything is temporary. At some point in the future, it’ll be better.

[-] JackiesFridge@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

When things happen you can either control the outcome or not. If you can, and things go sideways, you simply made the wrong decisions along the way and can learn. If you can't, find out what small parts you CAN influence and do your best to make things turn out okay. If you are totally powerless, remind yourself that nothing lasts forever and you can wait it out until an opportunity presents itself or the situation changes.

Sometimes you will find yourself in a ruinous situation beyond your control. Lower your standards until you have something you can act on - even if it's going to sleep to give your mind and body some rest. One step at a time, even if they're small steps and you're not quite sure where you'll end up. Find any positive you can. That said, allow yourself to get angry, sad, or anything else you need to feel to vent the stress - but afterward, find a positive and hold it.

Religious people have a built in community around their place of worship or shared interests. If something bad happens, the good people in that community will do what they can to offer support - this is usually mistaken for "god is great, look how he sent you to help." That's just silly (and rather insulting).

Atheists don't have that default support community, but hopefully we have friends and co-workers, people on our dart league, etc. who would jump at the chance to help out when things go sideways. Be social. Help others. Be part of a community of good people, regardless of their beliefs, and they can help steady you when life gets mean.

[-] shneancy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

absurdism! "one must imagine Sisyphus happy" is what keeps me going

[-] whaleross@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Soon I'll be dead and then it won't matter anyway.

[-] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago

For me, the existential struggle is coming to terms with my irrelevance (or our collective irrelevance -- our civilization and species has some big challenges ahead in the next couple of centuries). It's not that it's a bad time to be a naturalist, but it's just a bad time to be human and depend on a society that is supposed to continue without end.

That said, I've only acclimated to the idea that only oblivion and irrelevance await me. Living day to day is augmented by social and hedonistic comforts: I pet my cat and my dog. I take care of my wife. I play video games and limit how often I look at the world burning up.

We've encountered similar tropes in our apocalyptic fiction. Neo learns that his entire life was a dream, a construct in the matrix. I remind kids they really are in a YAF dystopia in which the education system is trying to mold them into interchangeable, disposable, replaceable soldiers and laborers to be inserted into billionaire vanity projects, used up and discarded, and their story is how they escape that paradigm.

That's our story too.

[-] foo@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Antidepressants and industrial-strength denial.

[-] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

My coping strategy is stubbornness, I may not win, but I'll be fucked if I'll let the rest of the world beat me. I refuse to give up.

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[-] GONADS125@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

In my opinion, accepting that things are out of our control is a basic requirement of life, just as we have to accept the force of gravity exerted on us.

I think it's weird and some people have told me I'm crazy, but I tell myself "It'll all eventually work out, but maybe for the worst." I find getting hung-up on if something will resolve in my favor often hinders my ability to influence the situation, can cause self-fulfilling prophecies, and is often more distressing than when the negative outcome is reached.

I also consider our insignificance on a cosmic scale, and find a strange comfort in imagining that our problems are just as trivial and irrelevant as ants, and that I won't care when I'm dead anyway.

Finally, if you're experiencing any death anxiety, I've always found a great exercise to be imagining what it was like before you were born. Did you have any pain or fear? Did you wish desperately to be alive? No. You simply did not exist for billions of years, and that is the state in which we can expect to return. That doesn't sound so bad to me.

[-] CherenkovBlue@iusearchlinux.fyi 5 points 1 year ago

I commune with the universe by contemplating it and my place within it. The immensity and my insignificance, yet the fact that I recognize my own existence, brings peace.

[-] GONADS125@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I've always found a strange comfort in cosmic insignificance.

[-] TokyoCalling@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I walk a lot. Head down to the river and whistle for the crows that know me to come down so I can give them some peanuts. Talk with friends and family.

To be fair, though, I do pretty much the same thing when I don't need to cope.

[-] thelsim@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

🎶 Here's a little song I wrote
You might want to sing it note for note
Don't worry
Be happy
In every life we have some trouble
But when you worry you make it double
Don't worry
Be happy, don't worry, be happy now
🎶

Works for me most of the time :)
On a more serious note, I learned to accept that not everything will always go my way. But not every bad thing is as bad as it might appear at first, and sometimes by rolling with the punches you can come out on top. Or at least end up in a better position than you started out in.
Of course I've never had to deal with truly catastrophic life events, so take that advice with a grain of salt.

[-] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Epictitus suggested that the world consists of two things, those you can assert control over and those you cannot. In order to lead a good life, you shouldn't spend energy on the things you have no control over. I've had a couple real bad stretches, but when things turn pear shaped, I take account of the things I have control over and what I don't.

[-] GregoryTheGreat@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

I talk about it to friends and family. Most things have happened to people you already know.

[-] arbitrary_sarcasm@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I don't remember where I originally heard this from, but the Serenity Prayer has helped me get through some tough times

"Oh God, give us courage to change what must be altered, serenity to accept what can not be helped, and insight to know the one from the other"

I know it begins with "God", but I found it applicable to my life without requesting anything from God.

I go to the orange and black website and forget about everything

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[-] detalferous@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Stoicism has been tainted a bit recently by attention from some fringe groups, but stoicism itself is still a very enlightened way to see the world, IMO

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