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Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia With Long-Range U.S. Missiles
(www.nytimes.com)
About time
Too little, too late. Just allowing it in kursk.
At least uk and france gave ukraine the green for using their weaponry in russia.
wow. kudos for being the "now that it's too late to have an impact, i'm going to do the thing i should have done many months ago" president
Long range missiles can have a lot of impact in a short time.
Plus who knows, 😜, maybe I don't have to work tomorrow!
I mean, if I was mangled into 30753 pieces mixed in with the neighbors dog and Misses Jane's tits on someone's windshield which is also in 1000 pieces and on fire tomorrow, then I don't have to go work.
But all good 👍 if we can possibly get sadam putin in a bag and toss him into the ocean with honors. Or just in to a bag. Tomorrow or this coming week would be a good time for that.
all the more reason this (among other things) should have happened many months ago
Yeah, but now is better than never.
God knows Trump wouldn’t authorize it.
you're right. i'm just salty because we live in a fascist dictatorship now
we're basically russia. could biden have even done anything? i don't even know
Not exactly russia.
I know 2nd trump term is terrifying, I'm not denying that this will be worse than his first term, but the difference is that the US has the separation of powers between the states and the federal government. The check and balance within the federal government is gone, but we still have this final line of defence, that is federalism. States can resist tyranny of the federal government, if they have the willingness to do so. Remember, that states run elections, swing states do not all have a republican trifecta. And even in republican trifecta states, there is still the state judiciary, and we might still have some of those non-magas republicans like Raffensperger.
The election in 2026 will likely be less free and fair than 2024, but with a large enough democratic margin of victory, democrats can still take back the house, maybe senate.
Maybe I'm in denial, but I consider this view to be optimism. I thought people like Raffensperger would just cave in and do whatever trump wanted but they didn't.
Don't give up hope. We'll soon see if federalism really works, if states would find the will to resist a tyrannical federal government.
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Oh no, one missile went astray and hit Mar-a-Lago. OH NO WE"RE SO SORRY
At the start of the invasion Russia was claiming they finally had hypersonic nuclear missles. Meaning they could get nukes past defense systems. That is the reason the US was hesitant to let things escalate.
Since then we’ve found out that Russias hypersonic missles had some misfires and still didn’t have the ability to steer at hypersonic speeds if I remember right.
That plus the fact that Trump is months away from helping Russia changes the strategy.
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Now give them a thousand tomahawks and the location of every single Putin palace.
Unfortunately, only allowed in Kursk
Lame
Kremlin. Go for Kremlin.
While they won't be able to reach Moscow with these, even from within Kursk, I am willing to bet the authorization was withheld on intelligence grounds. A lot of things in the war make sense if you look at it from the perspective that arms support can't be guaranteed.
Instead of letting Ukraine just burn through weapons, the US and allies have waited until they have the full operational capability to deploy the weapons with extreme effectiveness. They've had ATACMS for a while, so I suspect they held off deep strikes until the most effective targets had been identified and the likelihood of effective strike was near certain.
That's giving everyone involved a lot of credit. To be honest, I sort of doubt these decisions were quite that rational.
Blindly stumbling along then trying to pretend it was 4D chess all along sounds much more like us
Credit where credit is due though, the US and NATO know a few things about blowing shit up
I believe NYT makes you login, even on a gift link. Here is a TLDR:
President Biden has authorized Ukraine to use U.S.-supplied long-range Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) to strike Russian and North Korean forces in Russia, a significant shift in U.S. policy. This decision comes in response to Russia’s introduction of North Korean troops into the conflict and their anticipated assault on Ukrainian forces in the Kursk region.
The move reflects growing concerns over Ukraine’s ability to withstand simultaneous assaults while defending territory. The authorization aims to bolster Ukraine’s defense, target high-value military assets, and deter North Korean involvement. However, it has sparked debate among U.S. officials over escalation risks, as Russia might retaliate against the U.S. or its allies.
President-elect Donald Trump, who has vowed to reduce U.S. support for Ukraine, is set to take office in two months, adding urgency to the decision. The Ukrainian strategy may include using captured Russian territory in Kursk as leverage in potential future negotiations. Meanwhile, the risk of Russian countermeasures remains a central concern for Biden’s administration and its allies.
My take: I’ve been waiting on this since the US election. It’s sound strategy of we believe Putin won’t want to escalate with NATO before Trump takes office.
The other side of this is that once it's allowed, Trump would have to take it away.
I think Trump will simply stop sending any new munitions.
Possible, but other countries that have such weapons are sure to follow and allow the use now.
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Better late than never, I guess.
They only have 300 km range. They are very nice but still. Pretty sure Ukraine has struck further inland with drones.
Good move by Biden.
Ah. Some fireworks before the show is over.
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