You first.

Here’s how I think about it lately.

Just because society is falling apart, that doesn’t mean my social life needs to suck.

Nothing ever ends really, not until the last hominid gasps her last breath (and even then evolution may try again with other uplift eligible species).

Someone is going to live through this great upheaval. I predict it will be those who can build and keep good real-life networks of family, friends and general acquaintances.

Let it all burn down. I will sit by the fire with those in whom I see the image of the beloved.

Stop being selfish and get some help.

No I haven’t.

No I haven't. I also don't think the past was as great as you describe, compared to the present.

When I was 3 we had martial law in Poland which was upheld for years. My parents struggled to buy land because they weren't in the party, they could only buy my grandfathers old car which was breaking down ever second time we went anywhere.

Now that my son is 2 we got martial law in South Korea, but people fought for democracy and it was gone after 6 hours.

Because I only have one life I'm trying to get the best out of it. I switched the environment a couple of time in my life and had to start from scratch. But I never had to go to war, neither did my father, while before that every generation had a war in their country.

I'm not saying it's good, but it's good enough not to think about going rogue from society.

Hello, it is I, your friendly Neighborhood FBI Agent. Why don't we have a chat sometime? 🤗

I've gone rouge

No, I have standards (and a mobility-related disability). Murder is for those without an ounce of creativity and no humanity.

It resonates a lot with my ongoing feelings. I couldn't agree more with the majority of your statements.

Initially when I opened your thread among a bunch of other Lemmy tabs (because threads usually vanish whenever I refresh the feed, so I open every thread which called my attention as background tabs so I can access them later), I did read "going rogue" as something as "going away from society", "leaving from society". Then I read your thread and realized what you meant by "going rogue".

Let me first digress on my initial idea: that of leaving society.

You see, back in the past, humans used to be hominids living among the woods, gathering and hunting for survival. Then, there was this groundbreaking discovery: the fire, either through a lightning strike which was witnessed by a hominid, or through a naive rubbing of stones above dry leaves. It was both a gift and a curse to the human kind.

Fire was a slippery slope, and what followed was just downhill. Fire allowed the hominids to look "fearsome" to other species. Fire allowed the hominids to roast their food and to boil water, which allowed cooked meal, which allowed their brains to better develop, which brought another curse: the damn sentience, the capability of better, deeper conceptualization and understanding of surrounding phenomena.

Humans couldn't be "free" anymore. We became chained, they became captivated by their own minds. Humans became dangerous to themselves and to those who surrounded them. There's this shadowy dark side of the cosmos within life (the chao ab ordo), it was awakened by the bright light of these flames, just like "the opposites attract each other". Humans became their own enemies, not just due to a the prey-predator dynamics from the Nature, but the vacuum of predators being abhorred and filled by ourselves.

My comment is already long, for I shall interrupt my retrospective here and return to the present time. Humans aren't even allowed to leave the cities and live among the woods again, gathering and hunting, we aren't allowed to do that anymore! I mean, yeah, there are the indigenous people, but the modern society came to them and assimilated them with those "modernities" just like Agent Smith assimilating the whole Matrix. Indigenous people were colonized and forced to become part of society, just like anyone of us were forced as soon as we were born (I mean, we weren't even aware of this thing, we were babies!!). We were unplugged from the raw Nature, we became artificialized, we became enslaved by both the society and by ourselves, by our pleasures, by our illusory will.

There's no solution... I guess. No human ideology, no technology, no Jesus Christ, no alien, no Batman, no Joker, no Superman, no one will save us from ourselves. The dark side is an inherent human thing, one could blame the hominid Prometheus, but it's actually just the chaos returning from the illusory order which emerged from the primordial chaos. It was always there since the beginning, within us. Let's say hello to the Darkness, our old friend and enemy!

Sorry if I sounded "doomerist". I'm actually "nihilist", for each one of us has an abyss inside of us, and, silly me, I once dared to gaze into my own abyss... 🤷

No. I just want to live my life, surrounded by others that want to live theirs.

I cannot get away from those that cannot accept that. Putin, Kim, Desantis, and others make it impossible.

So, I put up with the dicks to keep the assholes away.

Who does not. Right now I feel ashamed that we are just letting AI feudalism happen!

Interesting thoughts, but who is really willing to risk their life, family, and passion for that? I keep thinking I want change but also will never have internal peace by being worried about the state of the world…

Let's be honest here: None of us are going rogue. We aren't going to grab a gun and start killing the worst of the worst, the people who have destroyed our lives and or the lives of millions, the people who have benefitted from the creation of a soulless society, the people who ruined our lives. We are cowards. We can't do it, I certainly know I can't. It's best not to kid ourselves here.

You want confirmation that everyone else is as weak to make yourself feel better. It's typical neoliberal nonsense.