1936
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 260 points 1 year ago

Can we please stop with the browser bloat? This is something that should be a plug-in, not a kitchen sink feature.

[-] 1984@lemmy.today 275 points 1 year ago

I actually don't agree, and the reason is - non tech people. You and me can install plugins but ordinary people don't do that. So the default experience must be good, offering improvements to the experience over Google Chrome.

Otherwise all privacy features could also be plugins. Imagine if that was true. Firefox would have no identity and you would have to install plugins and make it your own.

So some features should be built in. Maybe the ability to get pop-ups about false reviews will actually make users go "wow that is so useful".

[-] neshura@bookwormstory.social 208 points 1 year ago

Compromise: Develop it as a Plugin and then install it by default. That way people who don't want the feature can easily remove it completely. That approach would likely also reduce the number of Firefox forks whose sole purpose is to remove the new features some consider bloat.

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 58 points 1 year ago

That's actually what Firefox usually did for these kind of features. They're usually delayed as system add-ons.

[-] Lepsea@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Or make it so that people have a choice to add some of the extension features when installing the browser. Debloating is not fun

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

Sometimes it feels like debloating is a hobby to people with little to show for it

load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (10 replies)
[-] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 65 points 1 year ago

Agreed. This is well outside the scope of native browser functions. Firefox already has a rich extensions ecosystem. They can just include the extension with the browser by default for all I care, but as a native feature, this makes no sense.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (10 replies)
[-] gastationsushi@lemmy.world 194 points 1 year ago

I bought an 4.7 rated amplifier on Amazon that broke the first day. Looking at the reviews closer, I noticed they were 100% paid reviewers.

When I tried to leave a negative review, Amazon stopped me, giving a generic message about fake reviews on this product. This product is still out their with a high rating and no way for actual purchasers like me to warn other customers.

[-] detalferous@lemm.ee 35 points 1 year ago

That's appalling customer service.

Amazon stopped me, giving a generic message about fake reviews on this product

Can you elaborate? I've never experienced this and would like to understand how they do it.

[-] drekly@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've had this multiple times.

Tried to leave a big detailed helpful negative review and it gets flagged for being suspicious, with no copy of the review attached so I have to write it all again. And then it gets removed again.

I just looked in my emails. The exact phrasing was "We have reviewed our decisions and concluded that the product you received is authentic. As a result, we removed your review specific to this product. This ensures other customers see reviews that reflect the current shopping experience."

Most recently it happened with a body trimmer, where I never questioned the inauthenticity, and then a zojirushi travel mug that I genuinely believe was a fake, and attached a lot of evidence.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Give it 2 stars instead of 1.

And never read the 5-star reviews.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (5 replies)
[-] yiliu@informis.land 69 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why would this hurt Amazon? People will just see a different set of reviews. It's manufacturers if crappy knock-off products that should be shaking in their boots.

[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago

And unfortunately Firefox is sitting at 2 to 3% so even if Amazon were dependant on fake reviews, they have little to fear due to the low marketshare.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Furedadmins@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Amazon makes a lot of money facilitating the sales of counterfeit goods.

load more comments (11 replies)
[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago

Agreed. Might actually give more faith in using Amazon.

Hmm their Amazon basics might suffer. I think Amazon basics true offering is cheap but not scam.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Why would this hurt Amazon?

A product with 2002 reviews suddenly has only 2 reviews, and they are not the nicest ones... Whole Amazon with 2002 gazillion reviews suddenly has only 2 gazillion... :-)

Seriously:

I guess they own several of these "companies" where you can buy fake reviews for your product. And now these are facing their revenues sinking.

load more comments (5 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 60 points 1 year ago

I’m skeptical… how are the fake reviews identified and how do you avoid flagging real ones?

[-] fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net 64 points 1 year ago

They’re just building Fakespot into the browser so the same way Fakespot does, by analyzing the user who posted the review

[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

What does "analyzing" mean?

[-] yiliu@informis.land 80 points 1 year ago

They detect when a whole bunch of reviews are posted at exactly the same time, or are posted on a fixed schedule, or use extremely similar language, or with a brand new account...

Basically they use spam-detection techniques on reviews.

load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (8 replies)
[-] chrishazfun@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

I just want native vertical tabs lmao

load more comments (6 replies)
[-] tal@lemmy.today 44 points 1 year ago

Amazon is in trouble

I don't see why. Fake reviews don't benefit Amazon. The review information is a value-add for them, and fake reviews detract from that.

Hell, if it actually is able to reliably detect fake reviews on Amazon -- which I doubt, but let's roll with it -- Amazon might buy the company that does the fake review detection to get it so that they can filter it.

[-] isles@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't agree with the assertion that fake reviews don't benefit them, but I may be missing something. Reviews help drive consumer behavior and more reviews lead to more sales from those who are unable or unwilling to be more discerning. (Amazon takes a cut)

For others, it the idea or presence of fake reviews might drive them to a "trusted" Amazon Basics alternative, also leading to sales with a higher margin for Amazon.

Additionally, recycling listing ASINs is a common tactic that Amazon could stop and is a source of "fake" (or at least, irrelevant in content and misleading in score) reviews. There's minimal enforcement of rules for review integrity, such as verified purchases or quid pro quo "warranties" and "free gifts" for 5 star reviews.

All the evidence I see points to Amazon preferring the status quo.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 year ago

This will work for 15 microseconds before people start deploying it as an adversarial training aid.

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 1 year ago

The dedicated websites to check amazon reviews like fakespot.com have been almost completely beaten. What is Firefox going to do differently?

[-] Jtskywalker@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

Per the article, they are integrating Fakespot into Firefox, so it won't be different. Hopefully the tool can be improved

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
[-] simon574@feddit.de 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So how much do I have to pay to boost the Fakespot rating of my product listing?

[-] fiveoar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I must admit that I do like the built in page translation, which I guess was made by a similar team using ML and all. Maybe I will like this too? Feels a bit... niche. Maybe it's a stepping stone to any misinformation at some point?

Edit This actually might not be coming as a browser feature at all. Mozilla is trying to increase the size of their Mozilla.ai team, so perhaps it's really looking for people with AI knowledge with web tech and a track record of using it for a ethical purpose. This team would be well placed to build pretty much any AI based tool for the firefox ecosystem.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] IronpigsWizard@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

It is very nice to see Mozilla doing quite useful/helpful projects from time to time.

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] Supanova@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago

We're switching to Firefox!

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] drdabbles@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

I'm curious to see what Mozilla will do with the shopping assistant portion. Lots of browser extensions, and potentially even some of the Mozilla sponsors offer these types of features, and if Mozilla just stamps them out all at once by integrating that feature, it might lose them some financial support.

On the other hand, I do hope they don't start amassing huge amounts of training data from their uses. It would be a real bummer to not have a decent browser option anymore.

[-] Zarxrax@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I've already been using the fakespot extension for a few years, and honestly, it feels pretty useless. I've seen it give A and B scores for products that I know have fake reviews. And on Amazon or Walmart and similar sites, we already know that the reviews are bullshit, so what difference does it really make for it to tell me that? It's not like I have any better option in most cases.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Does anyone know the split of Amazon's mobile app versus mobile web and desktop use? This won't have an impact on their proprietary app and that's a shame.

[-] Fhek@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

Always sort by 1 star. And if the comments share similar issues. Do not buy.

[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No... 2 to 4 star reviews are more realistic. 5 star reviews are either fake or they got lucky and nothing bad happened. 1 star reviews usually are from people that were PISSED OFF while 2 to 4 star reviews are generally from people with more nuanced opinions than "this product cured my cancer" or "this product set fire to my cat and stole my significant other"

[-] ptrckstr@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

And so it begins, the marketing world has got its claws in AI.

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 11 Oct 2023
1936 points (98.2% liked)

Technology

60003 readers
2434 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS