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[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 214 points 1 year ago

We want teachers to be teaching and not having to waste time measuring a girl’s shirt or making a girl feel uncomfortable,” Shultz said.

Good because policing what girls wear stems from this fucked idea that boys have no sexual self control or responsibility for same and that women thus have to take responsibility for it via modesty.

So with those idiotic notions, rape victims get blamed for appearance, consent doesn't enter the conversation, rapey boys are "boys being boys", and similar awful shit.

[-] hansl@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

For added context, Shultz is the school board president here. The stunt didn’t change the vote and the new policy that was being protested is the same as other schools in the area that didn’t have any problems regarding dressing.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

For added context, Shultz is the school board president here.

Holy shit 😳 how did I miss that??

I'm glad his ridiculous antics failed.

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[-] luky@infosec.pub 12 points 1 year ago

yeah wtf that makes no sense

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[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 180 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

From the article:

As a dad, that’s very concerned about my children ....

I may disagree with it, but his kids aren't mine, so he, as the parent, he can prevent his daughters from owning that offending clothing.

...as well as everyone else’s kids in the district,

And here's where it goes off the rails. Why don't you keep your own parenting in your house instead of your neighbor's house, eh? Are you also going to decide what books other parent's kids read? How about what religious beliefs (if any) other parent's kids follow? None of that is your business. If other parents are okay with their kids dressing that way you shouldn't get a say on that.

[-] silentdon@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago

Sadly, there are plenty of people trying to dictate what other people's children read based on their own feelings

[-] AltheaHunter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 year ago

They'll indoctrinate other people's children into their religion too, if they get the chance.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Yeah my girlfriend’s kids get crap for being atheists from Christian classmates who were clearly taught to act that way by their parents

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[-] stephfinitely@lemmy.world 114 points 1 year ago

Shouldn't the parents be watching what their kids wear if they are worried about? A basic dress code is all that is needed. Just like the board said its a waste of time to measure girls skirts. Maybe if we didn't taboo the body so much people wouldn't care what someone else is wearing.

[-] Enigma@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 year ago

Hahahaha my parents “watched my clothing” so I either had extra clothes in my bag that I’d change into, or I’d wear them under a top layer of “approved” clothing and take it off later.

[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

Parent, here. My kids wear whatever the hell they want, and because I'm not giving them any reason to rebel, they don't feel any urge to do that kind of thing.

And if they did for fun or something? I wouldn't give a shit.

[-] rosymind@leminal.space 20 points 1 year ago

Agreed. We all have bodies. Underwear is appropriate for shared spaces (most people dont want to sit on anyone else's ass juice) but aside from that this prudishness of the human form that many people have is silly to me.

Even if the dad DID walk around like that, I think that's his business. We should all be allowed to wear what we want (undies for sanitary reasons) and if something is offensive then people could just, you know, not look!

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[-] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 109 points 1 year ago

“As a board we voted to ultimately let parents and families decide what is appropriate for them. It is the parents and family’s choice and as long as it doesn’t disrupt the school day, it would be a non-issue.”

I was not expecting this level of common sense from an Arizona school board. Good on them.

[-] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Small government conservatives: "get the government and all its "rules" out of our lives!"

School board: "you're right, each family should decide what schoolwear is appropriate and I guess people will have to manage themselves and their own reputation.."

Small government conservatives: "no not like that!"

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[-] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago

I actually find myself siding with the board here, if only because I have heard all too often about dress codes being overly restrictive or overly enforced. Like the board said, they don't want teachers wasting time measuring a girl's shirt when they should be teaching.

[-] TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

If only any of these parents cared about supporting teachers and their kids actually learning.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

also, none of the traumatic things that happened to me in my adolescence were based around the clothes any of us were wearing.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 44 points 1 year ago

His argument is that he looks like a fool dressed like that, so everyone who dresses like that looks like a fool? Weird thinking.

[-] McJonalds@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

his argument is the new dresscode would allow young girls to dress like that and he thinks the school should police it, instead of just raising his kids to be well adjusted and responsible. or it makes his pp hard and it makes it harder to hide that he's a pedo when he's in public

[-] olympicyes@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

The goal of people pushing agendas like this is the elimination of public education and state support for religious schools via “charter schools”. A lot of the people who run for school board who push parents rights are religious fundamentalists, real estate developers, or charter school consultants. This is at least true where I live.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

Sometimes my daughter wants to go to school in something too revealing.

We tell her to change because we're her parents and that's called parenting. We don't need the school to tell her what to wear.

[-] CeruleanRuin 27 points 1 year ago

Nobody's concerned with what their own children are wearing. They're concerned that they might be exposed to abdomen skin (the horror!) because of what someone else's child is wearing.

[-] Orbituary@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

Oh, he's a never-nude too! I didn't see him at the convention last year in Berlin. There were literally dozens of us there. Dozens!

[-] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Real big get back in the kitchen energy from this guy. He probably needs the kids more covered up because he can't control himself around too much exposed teenage girl skin.

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[-] FreshLight@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago

Can't parents just talk to their children about how to dress?

I feel like that's a simpler solution and this way the school can focus on teaching.

[-] Delphia@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

My wifes a teacher, they do have to spend an absolutely mind boggling amount of time covering shit that really should be handled at home. Literally calling parents about their kids refusing to do any work and the parent saying "I dont know what you want me to do"

[-] JubBurnsRed53@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I currently work in a school, and it can be very awkward walking up steps when students have incredibly short shorts, skirts, dresses, ect. The amount of underage skin (glutes, a little too much cleavage, and male nipples with loose tank tops) genuinely makes me feel uncomfortable and it's not like I'm trying to see anything. There is no one solution to make everybody happy, and I don't think uniforms are great or terrible, but I think it would always be better to air on the side of caution and establish standards/ dress codes. Almost every profession has standards and dress codes too, so I don't see what's wrong with trying to get students in the habit, at least in highschool when they start getting into the work field. Idk, disagree with me if you want, but I think this is reasonable.

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Why can't we normalize open communication, instead of authoritarian nonsense. Rules systems are unnecessarily demeaning and oppressive. It should be perfectly normal for a teacher to say, "hey I feel a little bit uncomfortable about what you are wearing." The school staff should be held to a much higher standard than the students, where if they are excessive about their opinions it should be addressed long before students. IMO the biggest problem in schools is a lack of reason and respect for students as real people.

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[-] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Looking good dude! Slay king

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