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[-] SpacePirate@lemmy.ml 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

What is the size of the “median” home in each area? Single family, or townhome, or condo?

Given that this appears to be a median average, this graphic does not account for the extremely wide variance depending on the cases above. A two bedroom condo and a five bedroom single family home could easily have a $2000/mo variance in the mortgage cost.

The other item that would perhaps be useful would be to call out what the down payment requirement is for each of these areas; ie, you can only achieve a $3000/mo mortgage if you’ve also put down $140,000, which is unachievable for over 90% of the country.

[-] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago

From the Bay Area, $1.5M will get you a two bed one bath or three bed 1.5 bath home built in 1925 or so. You can buy in a lower end neighborhood for a little less or a higher end one for a bit more, but the standard is going to be a craftsman home from 1906 with a driveway if you’re lucky.

I think the graphic also used a 20% down payment and a slightly over 6% mortgage in the calculation.

I just want to retire and move someplace cheap, like NYC or London.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Wow, two bedrooms for only $1.5mil! What a steal!

[-] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That's insane to me. I live in Tulsa, OK and bought a nice 2400sq ft home with 4 bedrooms, 2 living rooms, dining room, 2 full baths and garage and in a cul-de-sac for 120k. But the downside is I'm living in Oklahoma...so... Yeah.

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[-] Redscare867@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago

There is no way that this graphic isn’t including the entire metro area. The city I currently live in is on the list and so is the city that I am planning to relocate to. Prices shown do not accurately reflect the prices of houses/condos that I would consider “in the city”.

[-] ryan@the.coolest.zone 24 points 11 months ago

lmao cries in San Jose

I mean, the thing is, it's not even that great a city. Like, sure the tech jobs are here, and the bay area overall is nice and has temperate weather, but San Jose itself is a giant sprawling suburb. Downtown is "okay" and we do have public transit in the form of the light rail but it's pretty slow.

I'm paying $3.4k to rent a 2x2.5 townhome with my partner currently. It's very nice, and my landlords are just a very nice couple rather than a company, but dang is it expensive just to live here.

And before anyone asks, I live here 1) because I work in tech and the jobs are here, and 2) because my family all lives in the Bay Area and they're very important to me.

Anyway, my formal recommendation to any of you looking to move to San Jose is to basically not do that. Find a remote job and work in tech that way, or hybrid so you can live further out and commute only a couple times a week.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

I saved for a few years, and every amount I saved was offset by the housing prices going up. I eventually had $300K saved up and couldn’t afford the down payment on a family home.

That’s just completely and utterly unsustainable. I live in San Diego County now, which isn’t a whole lot better.

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[-] VanitasTheUnversed@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

I saw a house in Phoenix that was in my price range. I thought, "Wow, this house has a lot of natural light."

The last photo was a picture of the roof, or lack thereof.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

“Price includes 4 walls. Roof is extra.”

[-] Meuzzin@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

*Roof is included with the Bronze subscription Plan at an extra $450 a month.

[-] ShortBoweledClown@lemmy.one 22 points 11 months ago

I'd love to know where the houses you can afford on a $140K salary in DC are. Unless house here is loosely defined as a place where you live (apartments, condos), I'm certain this data is flawed.

[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 11 months ago

It says "homes" and not "houses", so probably apartments and condos indeed

[-] ShortBoweledClown@lemmy.one 6 points 11 months ago

Reading is hard

[-] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

It's gotta include condos....any condos. Like studio sized condo from the 60s in a dumpy building with neighbors that have 3 families living in a one bedroom

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[-] BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

My dumbass had a nice 3 bed 2 bath home in NM that I was paying a measley $600 a month as a first time buyer. I then sold it and moved to the Boston area.

I regret everything.

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[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

why the hell is Pittsburgh Pennsylvania so cheap?

[-] motor_spirit@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

bro fuck those goofy ass roads over there. wonky ass hilly ass city

[-] skyspydude1@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Because we tell everyone the Midwest is terrible to keep it that way.

[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I might have to come check that place out to be honest

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[-] GenesisJones@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

You should go there and see lol tell us what you find.

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[-] lntl@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago

shh! don't talk about it

[-] USSEthernet@startrek.website 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Probably because per the 2021 census stats, 20% of residents are below the poverty line and the median household income was only 54k.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/pittsburghcitypennsylvania/PST045222

I'm sure the high rate of hard drug usage doesn't help everyone's situation there either.

[-] lntl@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

yes this AND crime. definitely don't move there. is really bad, you'll hate it until you're killed by random violence.

[-] SexyTimeSasquatch@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

It would be much more useful to see a comparison to income so you could get a better idea of how realistic purchasing a home actually is. For example, Buffalo has cheap homes, but can you get a job there that afford one? And how is the quality of life there? How is crime? Like, it might be the case that San Jose is a better deal or more realistic if salaries are high enough to justify the home price. Because right now, this is more a map of just, what is the overall economy like for each city.

[-] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

median price home

So I nice mid life house...

Median price homes aren't affordable, start home and median price home are mutually exclusive.

Median price home literally is going to be about the halfway point between a starter home and a fucking mansion

It boils my blood everytime I see these info dumps starting off with average or medium house prices.

That's not a fucking starter home price.

It's like looking at the median price of a car and then trying to say that cars aren't affordable for your first car.

You don't spend 20k to 30k in your first car, you buy near the bottom percentile as your starter. Your first car is like a fraction of the cost of the median.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

Exactly. The median purchase price for new cars is ~$45k or something, yet I'd never spend that much despite making more than median salary. Things don't scale like that.

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[-] principalkohoutek@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

Tfw all you can afford is the rust belt rust-darkness

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago

Good luck buying a house in Seattle on a $170,000 salary. It's going to be a beat-down, tiny thing, with no yard, in a questionable area.

[-] LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Interesting that Pittsburgh has a lower median house price than Detroit.

[-] SpacePirate@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Have you seen Detroit? A third of homes downtown are completely derelict.

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[-] Bye@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

I want to see Honolulu

[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The median household income in Portland, OR is $78k and the salary needed to afford a house is $136k?

Yup, sounds about right.

edit: Looks like I should consider moving to Pittsburgh...

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[-] Treczoks@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

Now that insurances against natural disasters start costing a fortune in places like Florida, and you probably have to have such an insurance to get a mortgage there, it, the costs for housing down there will probably skyrocket soon.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Ah yes, New England is perfectly readable on this graph

[-] radix@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is beautiful! Does anyone know the software used to create this visualization?

[-] OnionQuest@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

They should include the interest rate they are using to calculate the mortgage. Based on what's provided they are assuming around a 6% mortgage which is no longer available. Tack an extra $1,000 monthly payment onto that million dollar home and an extra $40,000 to your income to make it affordable. (Assuming debt/income ratio and income taxes)

Did I miss anything?

[-] Aquila@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago

They did it’s at the bottom. 6.37%

[-] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

Which, having literally just bought a home, is a supremely optimistic rate to get right now. We spent $10k buying down our interest and only managed 6.9%

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I like to joke that I moved from the SF Bay Area to Seattle for the affordable housing, but it's funny because it's true.

[-] GreatWhiteNope@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

This is just not realistic.

Using the median home price is severely underestimating the cost of a decent home in an okay neighborhood.

With these salaries, you can afford a house that needs severe repairs or in either an unsafe or really inconvenient area.

I bought a house in one of these cities in 2017 with slightly more than what they say is the required salary. It was 195k with 4.5%. The school district reassessed the house from the sale, my taxes skyrocketed, and my mortgage increased $600 a month. I ended up selling the house after 3 years to move in my parents with 25k in credit card debt.

Today, that house would cost at least 300k and interest rates are around 8%. I’ve almost tripled my salary since then and my budget is probably max 330k.

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