Bad headline. The text says "would consider", which is significantly different.
Furthermore, they don't identify the study at all, so I can't even go look at it. I don't see one on S&P Global Mobility's site that looks like the right one.
Yeah, considering options is a sensible thing to do
Looks like this statistic is being dragged down heavily by Nissan Leaf owners. The Leaf is a very niche car - not much space, horrible range, and questionable reliability. It's not surprising that a lot of owners have buyer's remorse.
I'm not sure you're referencing the correct statistic related to the main takeaway of this article. Nissan EV owners were the second-highest group after Tesla (63.2%) to buy another EV, they were just low on model loyalty, not switching back to an ICE.
Ah I think you're right, I was reading too fast and saw the very low percentage of Leaf owners who said they'd get another Leaf but they're still on the EV bandwagon
The battery in the Leaf isn't liquid cooled either, so they don't last nearly as long as other EV batteries
Maybe, but I guess it suits certain purposes.
We're never going back to ICE, though. Quite happy with our leaf, would happily upgrade to something else but charging it a couple of times a week is no bother
I've been similarly happy with my Bolt. I've had it for 3 years and can't imagine going back to ICE, except maybe for a roadster. I miss my Miata.
It helps that I charge at work for free, but even before I had this job is was nbd to charge at the grocery store once a week. I struggle to understand people who are hesitant to try out EVs.
How has the reliability on your Leaf been?
I can't think of any issues we've had, at all. There's so little to go wrong with them...
They're certainly less riddled with things to break than other Nissans I've driven. More like a basic Toyota in some ways
Have had an Ev for a year. Would not switch back. I'm saving too much money.
Have an EV commuter car and a gas minivan.
No way I'm going back to double gas, I'm putting 25,000km a year on the EV and less than 5,000km on the van.
I'm saving a massive amount with current gas and electric prices where I live.
Still can't even afford an EV to even think about switching back to one ...
I would not want to pay double for a new car to be able to do half the mileage and instead of just fueling up, having to find a fucking Walmart god knows where and sit in the parking lot for a half hour. Super inconvenient if you plan to do any long distance traveling
I agree. This study aside, I think EV is still really, incredibly shitty for working class people who can't afford it or for tenants who don't have plugs at home and need to sit at some WholeFoods or whatever like idiots to charge up.
And I agree about mileage. If I had to drive across country, where there may not even be any charging stations available, I would not do it in an EV.
I'm still torn on whether I should even get a hybrid. I hear those batteries are like ~$10k to replace and that's after paying more upfront.
I would get a hybrid if there was one for the vehicle type I get that did not impact its capabilities. I live in a condo so unless our board gets much more cool I won't be able to plug in. That being said I don't know anyone who has an electric vehicle that has given even the tiniest smidge about wanting to go back. Quite the opposite. Now I know a goodly amount of EV owners but most car owners I know still have gas. Although I may not be the best example since by necessity all my neighbors can't plug in as well.
I don't know about the US, but in the UK you can charge EVs via standard wall outlets. For a while I had the charger hanging out of a window from inside my home so I could charge it.
This made overnight charging very cheaply available.
I'm curious, not trying to convince you, whether that's an option in the US or something you'd be limited by due to your condo/board?
That's the thing. In some countries that works well... in others not so.
For example Germany has very low home ownership (especially in cities where it would be even easier with lower distances) and very low centralisation and the public loading infrastructure just isn't there (and will need to me massive compared to some other countries), while the US has the home ownership and better centralisation but is limited by their shitty 120V grid.
Smaller or better centralised countries with higher amount of home ownership in Europe on a 230V grid on the other hand work perfectly.
Looking at Tesla's support the US is crippled by the 120v power grid for wall charging, 3 Miles per hour on a standard 120v plug, and 23kmh on an Australian 240v 15A plug.
I know one person that had EV and went back to gas, but they're a tenant and had to do the whole drive and wait at a random parking lot for a long time which they didn't really like doing but also isn't safe for them as a woman. So far the only friend of mine who had an EV actually.
Their lease ended and they said fuck it.
I still might get a hybrid because gas is so expensive. We're fucked regardless, I guess.
Yeah I don't know anyone who has an ev who travels so far they have to wait like that. Granted im in a major metro area so like many employers have stations. So folks charge at night and then also charge while they are working. I think that shows how few ev owners their are though as there are like only a few charging spots at work.
The class aspect is definitely something that pisses me off about it as well. EVs seem to be debatable when it comes to them being more environmentally friendly after all, but it seems like anything that is or appears to be better, ethical consumption choices are reserved for people with money (But also there's no ethical consumption under capitalism obvs).
I'm fortunate enough to have been able to purchase a new hybrid rav, it was so worth it but I did also go from a 97 Mazda with peeling paint that can't climb mountain passes and does like 17 miles per gallon lol.
If you don't already have a driving pattern that made having an EV convenient, you're not going to consider getting one in the first place.
I've seen this crappy article posted to a few places. You can't simply exclude entire brands of EVs.
If you're going to exclude Tesla, why not also exclude the worst brand too?
This article was clearly aimed at ICE owners
By the way, here in Australia, this nonsense article also made it to drive . Com . Au which also pushes ICE cars a bit
The McGraws and the George W. Bush family have close ties dating back several generations.
Interesting to find out about S&P Global.
Hasn't S&P Global Mobility been known to favor oil companies or had ties with them? I did some light searching and didn't see a connection immediately but I thought they were tied to oil.
Either way, https://www.spglobal.com/mobility/en/research-analysis/does-the-auto-industry-have-an-ev-loyalty-problem.html is a direct link to the study. It turns out this is about luxury car loyalty and space issues.
The Bolt saw households that went for gas power mostly turning to Chevrolet SUVs and trucks.
That's understandable as there aren't many large cars for EVs. Something the VW ID Buzz will fix if everything they present about the car is true. I am super excited about it and I am typically not excited about cars.
In terms of range and infrastructure, I feel like one concept theory that was originally pushed around at the start of EVs almost a decade ago was replaceable batteries. Drive up to a station, swap the battery out with a full one, and drive off. That doesn't seem like the direction we are heading but it might be a way to solve it. That said 200-250 miles with 30-minute charge times to get up to 80% should be enough for typical day driving in the USA.
That said, I also feel these studies reflect somewhat, not on loyalty for Musk but on brand loyalty. For a lot of people, Teslas are truly great and fast cars. In other cases, they are terrible. Not all of their cars have terrible build quality and there seems to be a point where build quality dropped. Equally, there are some great EVs out there including the Chevy Bolt. You can see that most Bolt owners are only switching because they need something bigger and still 63% of them would stay with an EV.
The issue is not price, range, or infrastructure. It's a lack of choice and a lack of build quality.
Plug in hybrids are the best of both worlds. Any of the Toyota primes would be the ideal vehicle for most people. Too bad it’s near impossible to get one even if you have the money.
Plugins are the worst of both worlds unless you pull in and charge every 50 km to not let the battery drain completely, because if that happens you just end up with an insanely heavy ICE car thats even worse on fuel than an ICE car without all the hybrid shit.
I have been driving one for years. I only put gas in it on road trips. No need for extra charging time just go. For daily activities I never need to use gas. You’re spreading from speculation, I’m speaking from experience.
Admittedly, they are heavier. You got that bit right. I still got 40mpg on road trips.
I drove a plugin for 2 years daily, it only did 12-13kml without battery and 30km on a charge. Granted it was a Mitsubishi Outlander phev which isnt exactly the greatest car.
So you took your experience with an admittedly bad car and generalized all other cars based on it?
If I buy a Kia I shouldn’t expect it to drive like a Bentley just because they both have an IC engine.
Now youre putting words in my mouth, the Mitsubishi wasnt a bad car, just wasnt great. The problem with plugins is that when operating as an ev its an heavy low performance low range ev and when its operating as an ICE car its a heavy low performance gas guzzling ICE car. sure there are a perfect spot where it makes sense, but it is damn near impossible to balance at that spot. If you want an ev for city driving then buy that and spend a little more time charging when going a long way from home. Or buy a more expensive ev that can go further on a charge and charge quicker. The rangeproblem on evs is near not existing where i live. A better solution if range is a concern would be an ev with a rangeextender like the bmw i3 where you are using the ICE only to charge the battery when necessary and therefore can be much smaller and lighter.
S&P Global Mobility attributes the struggle for EV loyalty to three main factors: pricing, infrastructure, and range.
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