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Valve use a little code from Godot for Half-Life 2, Counter-Strike: Source, Day of Defeat: Source, Team Fortress 2 (www.gamingonlinux.com)

submitted 4 weeks ago by RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works to c/godot@programming.dev

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 58 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

That's neat but Valve could do so much more for Godot by becoming a member of the Godot Foundation

[+] Burghler@sh.itjust.works -23 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

Be grateful for what valve already does for gaming.

Edit: apparently this is a controversial thing to say

[–] monsieur_hackerman@programming.dev 34 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Why not demand more? Costs nothing for you to ask companies to meet ever-so-slightly higher standards.

Insisting on being grateful to any company in 2025 is wild anyway

[–] shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 12 points 4 weeks ago

They do a lot, but it doesn't mean we can't ask for more.

[–] ksigley@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Upvotes and downvotes are worth the same in the eyes of engagement.

[+] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml -6 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

You mean enabling gambling and MTX for an entire generation, normalizing DRM, and taxing indies 30% unfairly?

Yeah they've done a lot of good.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

next fests, returns, single handedly making linux a viable gaming platform for the casual user, popularising vr, having reasonable refunds, steam client having basically all the functions youd ever need, forcing companies to be upfront about kernel level anti cheat, etc. Valve is nowhere near as bad as ea, ubisoft, etc.

Valve is basically the only decent american big games company. I understand some need the narrative for the promised class war in order to distract you from the crisis in democracy, but not everyone with a company is literally lenin or stalin or polpot or hitler.

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They become that once the company goes public.

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Returns and refunds happened because the EU warned them that if they didn't, they'd create legislation so they'd have to, as they were already in a grey area under EU law. EA had a similar refund policy for games bought through Origin before Steam did.

Other than that, nearly everything you listed was done because it made business sense and would lead to more profit. Decoupling PC gaming from Windows by working on Linux means they're not at the mercy of Microsoft's whims, and was started at a time where it looked like Microsoft might make a version of Windows that could only install third-party software through the Windows Store. Discouraging kernel-level anti cheat discourages one of the last hurdles to Linux being able to play all Windows games. Supporting VR lets them still VR games through Steam.

Not being publicly traded lets them be concerned about their long-term profits above their short-term ones, so they won't do things that tarnish their reputation nearly as often as their competitors, and can do multi-year projects. They look good because their competitors are bad rather than because what they do is altruistic.

Edit: I just did some maths. The Steam Deck has sold somewhere around 5 million units and a Windows licence costs somewhere around $50 to an OEM with a volume licensing deal. Both these figures are approximate as I couldn't find precise numbers, but they're enough for a ballpark figure. This means that Valve have saved around $250 million by shipping the Deck with SteamOS instead of Windows. Even if my figures are way off, it's still a huge amount of money and goes a long way towards making all their work on Linux pay for itself.

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

single handedly making linux a viable gaming platform for the casual user

Well, not really single-handedly. Most of the work was done by open source communities, Valve's part was mostly in integrating it and normalizing it, making it easy for users and giving developers an incentive to support it. They did their part and I love them for it, but I'm also grateful for all the volunteer contributions to projects like wine and dxvk!

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh yes the community laid the bricks but as we seen with linux desktop its the easy to use part thst actually gets users to go there.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Guess who also made it easy for valve to use it

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago

After using lutris I very much appreciate valves huge effort that makes you forget what OS you are on since you just click play and have a good time. Where hardcore, extreme tweaking is selecting another proton from a dropdown menu. I don't even know prefixes existed until I was forced to use lutris. In my experience it seems OS communty made games run on linux so OS and linux hobbyists can play games easily. Valve made it so regular folks can play games easily. I patiently await more people to come over to linux so that I can use my hotas as well.

[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

What does mtx stand for?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm assuming from context it's Micro Transactions(x). The X silent though, and also invisible, rather like the P in strawberry

[–] sip@programming.dev 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

in programming, tx is the abbrev for transaction sometime. also for "transmit" in the context of receive and transmit when a stream (of data) is duplex (both ways). I never questioned the tx abbrev until now, but just yesterday I used it. hmm

edit: apparenty it's pure coincidece between tx for transaction and tx part of duplex abbrevs.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 40 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Neat!

[–] 2fm@lemmy.world 15 points 4 weeks ago

Hah, I hear you say that in my head as Bender, while flahing his camera.

[–] rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 4 weeks ago

Really big flex for godot tbh

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 weeks ago

very cool :)

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Nice, they might as well make Source-1 engine opensource

[–] jyl@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Doesn't it contain a bunch of licensed code like Havok physics

[–] Baggie@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago

I think they actually did? The most recent update was the whole source code for TF2 iirc

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

What the fuck is a Godot? Wasn't that a play?

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's a game engine, like unity or unreal.

[–] pEg@startrek.website 5 points 3 weeks ago

How long do I have to wait for it?

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 weeks ago

if only there was some community about it where you could read more about it

[–] Coolkat@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

It's a type of plant

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