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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 83 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mostly because our ability to organize and unify against the wealthy is overwhelmed by the wealthy's tools to keep us factioned and distrustful of each other. Hence the necessity of the fascist enemy within rhetoric.

The problem is, we humans are simple emotional beings who are really credulous when it comes to being told stuff we want to hear, and the wealthy have crafted messaging catering to this bias and wishful thinking (hence "you are the chosen people and have to massacre all the others who are spiritual flesh-eating zombies")

That sounds way cooler to the lumpen-proletariat than "you're just another commoner, but if we work together we can topple the people who hoard all the stuff and make a fun themepark for everyone!"

[–] LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

ngl I'd turn against my fellow man if I, exclusively, was offered a couple mil untaxed income instantly from a billionaire

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[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 74 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Their meat is oily and diseased?

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 55 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You could also end up getting brain worms that way.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We can just make vaccines from autistic people

[–] Sonor@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

The real plot twist

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To flip Curtis Yarvin's script, they'd make better biofuel to actually be useful.

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[–] john_lemmy@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And you would probably get high on ketamine from consuming it as well.

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[–] piratekaiser@lemm.ee 45 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Look at history. You need a tipping point, but more importantly, you need organised masses and a vision/visionary to get behind.

That's how Lenin got in power. It's how the French decapitated their king. That's why there was a rally at the White house when trump lost the previous election but nobody is doing anything against him now at the states while he dismantles the country.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Correct, but there is a lot of nuance.

Indeed, when things get bad, the public is willing to take risks. When everything is good enough, they don't revolt.

However, successful revolts do require intelligent and capable leaders.

What the rich have realized, is that if they ensure smart and skilled kids get picked out of the drudgery and get comfortable working for the rich, then the exploited class will not really have anyone to lead them.

Put another way, in 1908, every factory had a few leaders working at the lowest levels. And they are the ones who spearheaded strikes and such.

Nowadays, society is really stratified in terms of skill.

Anyone who grew up poor, but had talent to organize, probably ended up in some kind of middle management or professional job and makes 2x the average.

Convincing these people to have class solidarity is difficult. Only a few of them actually see the bigger. Those tend to become middle or upper management or politicians, making 3-5x the average workers salary. And of those, only a very select few are willing to fight for the common man.

So yeah, the rich engineered a system that they can control. To actually change anything is going to be very difficult.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Iran, 1977, mass demonstrations that were often kicked off by communists and socialists leading to a revolution in 1979.

Iran, 1988, communists, many who were involved in the revolution, begin being executed by the Islamic government.

Revolution is also sadly no guarantee of anything getting better.

"The moral arc of history bends towards justice" is a lie Westerners have sold themselves for far too long while the evidence otherwise has stared them in the face if they were paying any attention at all.

[–] yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

Well yes, it turns out billions of us aid and explicit US training can stamp out communism, at least without any other support structures.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

in 1908, every factory had a few leaders working at the lowest levels. And they are the ones who spearheaded strikes and such.

(I can’t be the first person to have this thought so someone please chime in and tell me where to learn more.)

The scale of housing and factories was different in 1908 though. These days factories are giant complexes in the middle of nowhere with supercommuters that don’t live anywhere near each other or the factory so don’t have the same opportunities to fraternize and organize in their homes and taverns. I don’t know how workers can overcome this massive hurdle from the modern era.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

True, but nowadays most people don't work in factories.

The modern equivalent would be the cashiers of Walmart and the baristas of Starbucks.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah, part of it is definitely lack of "third places" (i.e. issues of car dependency/bad zoning) and declining social institutions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKgNrshVdMw

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[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I'm not advocating it tbh

They probably taste like shit and cocaine

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[–] bedouin@infosec.pub 26 points 1 month ago

I so fucking love this so, so much

[–] teri@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm vegan - I compost the rich.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Remember, even herbivores are opportunistic carnivores on occasion. ☺️

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[–] AndromedaAnimated@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Vegans like you make me interested in veganism. The diet seems to have some beneficial effect on the sense of humor.

TL; DR I laughed my a** off, thank you!

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (6 children)

You say the larger of the two, but the majority of the USA voted for fascism and an absurd number of people just stayed home. It's hard to grow a resistance when you simultaneously believe the simple folk are getting exactly what they deserve and asked for.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago

Voting stupidly doesn't turn a working class person into an owner class person. We still outnumber them, it's just that most of us have been tricked.

[–] bustAsh@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not sure the majority voted for Trump considering all the election interference and Elon Musk's fuckery.

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[–] randomperson@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago

It’s hard to grow a resistance when you simultaneously believe the simple folk are getting exactly what they deserve and asked for.

It really shouldn't be since that's just the beginning, they'll be coming for everyone that says a single negative thing about the king and his cronies.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (13 children)

Not even a majority of voters, let alone a majority of Americans. Just about 30% of adults in the US voted for trump. We still outnumber them.

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[–] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The same people who have historically bankrolled and controlled Republicans also run the Democrats. It's kinda hard to "fight the system" when the oligarchs are the system.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Then you would agree we should remove money from politics and...

Oh! Whats this? The DNC passed campaign finance limits in 2002 which were overturned by the conservative SCOTUS in 2010 "Citizens United" decision? Huh, wow, thats crazy. Have any Dems talked about this recently? All of them? All the time? Neat.

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[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Because eating the rich will accomplish nothing if you don't also change the underlying system that created them in the first place. And good luck getting everyone in the non-rich class to agree on what that change should look like.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What if the rich kept getting eaten until they figured out a system that the rest of us were satisfied with

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[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Guns. The answer is guns, Lrrr.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

can't afford teeth in this economy

[–] DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

Because they taste like shit.

Better to leave them outside for the polar bears to eat so they stop starving to death.

[–] griff 6 points 1 month ago

too much damn gristle

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because much of the working class is easily bought

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[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago
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