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[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 5 points 4 days ago

If Steve Jobs is the bar for being considered genius then half the planet is genius

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 172 points 1 week ago (13 children)

There is a distinct type of person, very good at one thing, that is unable to understand that doesn’t translate to the rest of their life. Easiest to describe them as a high int, low wis character.

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 81 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And by good at one thing you mean exploiting people and gaslighting the media.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 55 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Still incredible that people bought into "half the features twice the price" Apple products so hard that it corrupted the entire industry

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I will give him credit he turned computers and phones into fashion accessories. He is closer to Coco Chanel than any tech visionary. If you think about it his methods were closer to QAnon or flat earth people. You can sell some people anything if you can convince them they are better than other people if they follow you. I am still salty about him overshadowed Dennis Richie's passing who was a real tech visionary.

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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Doctors failed to communicate the situation in a way he would grasp that his choices were death or chemo. Maybe a, "that's your choice? OK, before you go, how world you like us to handle your corpse? So you want a full autopsy to confirm the cancer diagnosis, or would you prefer we didn't? Is there a particular burial home you have plans with? "

But in all likelihood there's nothing anyone could have said to him to make him see reason.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 1 week ago (5 children)

But in all likelihood there’s nothing anyone could have said to him to make him see reason.

"The CEO after you will mess up the design of apple products"

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I used to work as a court clerk and judges are like this. You cannot tell them anything because if they get it into their heads that they know better than you then they will completely ignore reality in favor of their own, largely arbitrary, fictional universe.

The best incentive ever not to commit a crime is to find out how utterly dysfunctional the legal system is.

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[–] KuroiKaze@lemmy.world 135 points 1 week ago (9 children)

The behind the bastards episode will teach you a lot about this piece of shit. Wozniak is the genius, this is just another predatory businessman. Good riddance.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yknow, while I 90% agree with you there seems to be some element between the technical genius (Wozniak) and the idiot businessman that is Tim Apple.

Jobs may have been a piece of shit but there’s something to be said for the uncompromising non-technical focus on UX that allowed Jobs to make the iPhone a success.

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Sure Wozniak invented the Apple I and II. But if he never met Jobs his inventions would have stayed a hobby and Apple would have never existed. Woz also didn’t push for an OS with a GUI (which was revolutionary back then) that was Jobs’ idea. Not to mention that Woz had nothing to do with Apple’s comeback. He has been an honorary employee since Jobs was fired. Woz is a genius but people give him way too much credit just like they do with Jobs.

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[–] Tiger_Man_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 122 points 1 week ago (4 children)
[–] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not to mention the actual pioneer of generic-text languages, the inventor of the compiler, Grace Hopper.

https://www.biography.com/scientist/grace-hopper

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

well one is good at selling stuff including himself

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

My crusading teenage ass posted this in 2011 on social media. Nobody cared lol

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[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 91 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He tried to fight P.C. with apples.

[–] JDPoZ@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

Jesus Christ. That is fucking poetry.

[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 80 points 1 week ago (20 children)

I mean, fucking up is a common thing people do and is an integral part of the human condition. What should be emphasized about Jobs case is that he fucked up his own liver, learned the cause and treatments, used his wealth to cut in the waiting line to get a liver transplant, and then fucked his second liver just the same way. This is the definition of terminally stupid, and no UX focus will ever change that.

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 50 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I remember reading a story a while back about the documentary they were making on him. He had his special diet of juices and supplements and whatnot, which he claimed helped him while his liver was failing. The actor who portrayed him started following the same diet to better get in character. Only then he collapsed on set with liver problems. They did a full medical work up and basically told him whatever you're doing stop doing it because it's killing you. He went back to his normal diet and he was fine. Raising the serious question, did Steve Jobs outsmart himself to death? If he had given up all the diets and supplements and whatnot might he have lived?

If he had pursued modern medical treatments rather than a sugar filled diet he might have lived. He would have to have stepped down though and he did not want to do that.

He would also have to admit he was completely wrong about his diet and that he absolutely did not want to do as it was tied to some dumbass "philosophy" he followed.

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[–] LucidLyes@lemmy.world 64 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Jobs paved the way for Musk. I hate that he's so often cited as a genius to look up to in the tech world

[–] einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 week ago (5 children)

People mistaking Marketing people for tech genies happens to often.

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[–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The behind the bastards episodes on Jobs was really eye-opening to just how awful of a leader he was

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[–] Juice@midwest.social 61 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Being rich makes you so divorced from consequences that you start to believe that what is in your brain is what is real. Money isn't what we think it is.

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[–] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Also bought his way up the organ donor list even after he took so long ignoring it, passing over a bunch of people who should have had claim to it and some who died instead, all just so he could die anyway because he took too long to get treatment. Failed so hard multiple people died.

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[–] al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 51 points 1 week ago (5 children)

He believed in apple until his end. Hey-0!

[–] goldteeth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 79 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He died as he lived, trying to beat PC with Apple.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Only fanboys. The same kind that worship Musk or any other fellated-by-the-press CEO as some kind of hero. They softball any criticisms and turn them into positives - “He murdered a bunch of kids, but the creativity he got from the blood splatter and time spent in court-ordered community service got us this addictive device we’re all fawning over…let’s justify the ridiculous price and wait in line for one!” Something about objectively shitty people heading up organizations seems to attract sycophants and bootlickers.

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[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Imagine how insufferable he would be today.

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[–] wieson@feddit.org 43 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Back on the old site on one of those text based subreddits there was a question posted:

Would you rather have free WiFi wherever you go, or any apple product you wish at any time.

My (then unrotted) brain was like: mmh WiFi everywhere is good, but apple cake, apple pie, apple sauce, apple spritz, apple cider, apple strudel, dried apples... Yeah I'm going with apple products

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[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 32 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Before he died, he did say it was one of his biggest regrets.

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[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I never like to let people forget the raw fruit diet comes from a cult that believes people from Venus told us that's the key to eternal life

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[–] cdkg@lemm.ee 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Steve jobs ain't a genius. He was just a good salesman.

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[–] narfer@lemm.ee 26 points 1 week ago

This 😂. A fucking genius choosing pseudoscience...

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 26 points 1 week ago (16 children)

I was reading an interesting article the other day about how after World War II people were obviously opposed to populism, and by the '80s and certainly the '90s people that were born after the war had lost the awareness of the danger that hero worship creates.

At the same time, many organizations including government organizations had failed to update themselves over the years, so people romanticized the idea of someone walking in and magically making the correct snap judgments that would remedy the situation. This was so pervasive in the business world I think in part because it allowed corporate executives to justify f****** over ordinary employees. If the company makes or breaks because of one person at the top, who cares if you're paying people minimum wage and they can't even afford to pay for dental care or a car.

What amazed me is how long that vision of Steve Jobs stuck around. Even in recent years people have been praising him, but if you think of the value in his company, it's mostly a load of s***. Those phones and computers are incredibly overpriced, and they have so many bad aspects, especially lock-in, which most people intuitively understand these days. And still we have Apple addicts.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd be far more interested in learning more about the other folks on the Macintosh team. They're an amazing group of people who put a lot of care into something they believed in, Steve Jobs notwithstanding. What they did with what they had was amazing, and the fact that they got lost in Jobs' spotlight is tragic.

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[–] rockettaco37@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

He might've been a marketing genius

Oncology... not so much

[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

where’s the lie?

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