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Justice Arthur Engoron on Oct. 3 barred Trump from disparaging court staff after Trump shared on social media a photo of the judge's top clerk posing with U.S. Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer, a Democrat, and falsely called her Schumer's "girlfriend."

During a trial break on Wednesday in the civil lawsuit brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James concerning Trump's business practices, Trump told reporters, "This judge is a very partisan judge, with a person who's very partisan sitting alongside of him, perhaps even much more partisan than he is."

Engoron, surmising that Trump was referring to his clerk, called the comments a "blatant" violation of the gag order. The judge imposed the fine after Trump briefly took the witness stand to take questions.

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[-] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 89 points 1 year ago

Wow. Isn't that like fining the regular Joe 2 bucks? Must be devastating and lifestyle-changing.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The first fine was 5k. This is 10k.

Doubling can get pretty nasty, pretty fast. Let's hope he sticks to it.

[-] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He'd have to do it ~~16~~ 12 times for doubling to touch just 1% of his reported net worth.

(I have zero interest debating what his actual net worth is. Don't @ me.)

Edited to correct math.

[-] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 year ago

That should take about a week.

[-] quindraco@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Your math is bad.

16 total payments of 5k, 10k, 20k, ... is $327,675,000.

That is 1% of $32,767,500,000.

Trump's net worth is not reported as close to 33 billion anywhere, and never has been.

13 payments would be 1% of about 4 billion, which could be ballparked as about Trump's reported net worth at various times in history.

[-] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

My math was indeed bad! That's what I get for doing it fast at work lmao. Thanks for the call out.

[-] Eheran@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

10'000 is to a billionaire what 10 is to a millionaire. Or cents to some random person.I hope that gets the point across just how irrelevant that number is.

[-] mycatiskai@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago

Maybe this is like write-ups at work. Verbal warning, written warning, final warning, 3 day suspension, 7 day suspension, termination.

So 5k, 10k, 100k, month in jail, 3 months in jail, in custody until trial is over.

[-] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

"Don't make me get HR to count to ten again!"

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

"7... 8... 9... 9 and a half... 9 and three quarters... 9 and four fifths..."

[-] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

I'm bad at math, so you're probably right. Sadly so. Makes it even worse.

[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

They should up it to a cookie million next time to give him a jolt

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Is a cookie million different than a regular million? Like, does it have to be a million cookies? $1 million worth of cookies? A $1 million cookie made of, like, platinum and diamonds and whatnot? Like a Faberge Egg, but a cookie and worth $1 million?

What would the State of New York even do with that?

[-] z500@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My guess is that comment was a victim of autocorrect and they meant cool

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

They are like regular millions but filled with frosting.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Are cool millions, like, mint flavored?

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 2 points 1 year ago

cookie monster has entered the chat

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[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Sure, but what is the penalty for not paying (as Trump has a long history of doing)?

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I looked it up, and the penalty is imprisonment until the fine is paid. If the fine is never paid, it ticks down with time served (looks like double-digit dollars forgiven per day).

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Let's say Trump is worth $1 billion. (He claims he's worth much more, but reports say he's worth much less.) The super rich skew the average net worth, but it looks like the median American is worth $193,000.

At those amounts, $10,000 for Trump is like $1.93 to the "median American."

I can only hope that the fines increase by a lot more or jail time starts getting added to the mix.

[-] Wooster@startrek.website 27 points 1 year ago

And the consequences if he refuses to pay?

[-] ThePantser@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

$5 late fee

[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

When you refuse to pay court-ordered fines my understanding is that they send bailiffs to physically take your property away so it can be sold to cover it.

[-] cogman@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Worst (best?) case, he's thrown in jail until he pays. Not paying is contempt of court

[-] ApostleO@startrek.website 14 points 1 year ago

Not paying is contempt of court

Yeah, but so was violating the gag order.

If he isn't jailed on a third strike, I'm done following this.

[-] Tammo-Korsai@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago

Losing time rather than money would be a stronger punishment for that kind of person, so lock him up for a while where he cannot enjoy any luxuries.

[-] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

As if he would have the same jail-experience like regular joe. It would be worse than home, but probably still more comfortable than us in our homes. At least I'm having a hard time imagining it would not be... Maybe I'm just too cynical.

[-] fiat_lux@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

My hope is that Engoron is baiting him to say/do more egregious things to really justify a proper sentence, because he knows Trump will keep pushing the envelope. But Occam's Razor suggests he might just be cowardly.

Come on Engoron, defy the razor. Show us all what you got.

[-] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago
[-] Lem453@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Admeral Caine stares are you intensly as she asks the marine for his sidearm

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Law of three strikes, or something like that? He now has had two warnings.

[-] fiat_lux@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

One can only hope. I'm sure we won't have to wait long to find out.

[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

$10,000 now? Yeah that'll teach him. Mostly it'll just teach him that violating court orders comes with a small price tag and he could do it a hundred more times.

Let's just hope that when it happens again he actually gets to sit in a godamn jail for a change, clearly taking the loose change out of his pocket isn't doing the job.

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

He is going ballistic so it does have an effect on him

[-] geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Now wait until he doesn't pay it

[-] Bridger@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

Perhaps a week or so in jail will clean up his behavior.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Or, you know. The rest of his life,

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[-] Veraxus@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

So… barely a tap on the wrist… and after his SECOND violation, no less.

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

My only hope is that the judge is laying a "fair fine" foundation so that any future jail time is appeal proof. If Trump tries to appeal being sent to jail, the judge would be able to say "I gave him a warning. I gave a fine. I have him a slightly larger fine. I gave him more fines. Finally, I had no choice, but to go with jail time."

[-] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that's pretty likely - also the judge probably doesn't want those hacks on the Supreme Court to have the slightest figleaf of an excuse to stick their noses into this on appeal.

[-] REdOG@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Sometimes I just pay the parking ticket.

[-] extant@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Stop charging the wealthy guy a fee that allows him to do what he wants and just make him sit facing the corner for half an hour if you want him to learn.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago

The fine should be multiplied by 10 each time he/him violate the gag order.

[-] Smacks@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

He'll do it again

[-] Gingerlegs@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Throw his ass in jail

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