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[–] EaterOfLentils@lemmy.world 17 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] TheObviousSolution@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

It's not, it's not having to do the math or the remembering. The brain is a muscle, when you have your phone doing all the hard work it doesn't need to be as buff. LLMs will worsen this problem even more. Microplastics? Maybe single digit consequences.

[–] EaterOfLentils@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Idk anecdotal but I do math and programming every day and I still feel like I'm getting progressively dumber.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world -5 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

They didn't remove math lol

You don't pass classes if you don't pass tests

Don't even think about saying some dumb shit like "they pass them anyway" because that doesn't actually happen

[–] EaterOfLentils@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I am an educator and I regret to inform you that it absolutely 100% does. I routinely encounter calculus students who do not know how to solve for x.

Grade inflation in higher ed is also a serious issue. It was a growing problem when I was in college 15 years ago, and it doesn't sound like it has gotten better since.

[–] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Ah yes because, as we all know, you MUST pass classes in order to participate in society. And clearly no one can ever possibly cheat because it's against the rules. Problem solved!

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Cheating is against the rules and you shouldn’t do it

[–] conicalscientist@lemmy.world 13 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Tech companies hire psychologists to behavior modify us to be engagement zombies. That alone must have done a number on intelligence.

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

One, we’ve off loaded much of our critical thinking and researching skills to Google et al. This will only get worse as we develop stronger AI assistants that perform a majority of the “thinking” tasks. Technology frees the mind in some ways and reduces the need for certain functions. I read an article probably 10 years ago about how Japanese struggle to write because cell phones and computers have taken over much of that skill.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

To be fair, the idea that writing has to be this perfect penmanship that will be readable in 1000 years is silly. Write things down in a good enough style for the task at hand.

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 24 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

is anyone here talking about the systematic dismantling of public education and starving of teachers and children in terms of learning resources and actual food

also i again have to complain about Idiocracy, the comedy film that suggests intelligent rich people will solve our problems and stupid poor people will doom society, where in reality you have incredibly wealthy and also incurious, unintelligent ghouls hoarding generational wealth, making it a top priority to have tons of children in order to make their 'superior' genes take over.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 hours ago

I agree. Idiocracy is a funny movie, but that's it. The entire premise of "stupid people make stupid children" is based in eugenics.

[–] match@pawb.social 13 points 20 hours ago

This article seems to be only looking at America based off the sources that I can access without a paywall

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

I can believe it. Physical inactivity, less creative play for children, distraction all the time.

Mind you, in some ways I don't buy it - the two of my kids who were very academically motivated both learned much more in school than I did (I went during a conservative time when the schools were doing "back to basics" which didn't help, but simple research before the Internet was so difficult that I didn't have access to as much as they did, it took more effort to learn less) and those two are whip-smart. So I think the potential to be smart is higher now. Also maybe we have included more people in the measurements now that it's easier to get the data.

But physical inactivity does harm brain health, plastic probably does, the dumbing down again in the schools here (is this some 40-50 year cycle?) certainly does. I do, like @drascus@sh.itjust.works work at maintaining my thinking by trying to learn new things, not just get good at what I am good at already; and do a lot to maintain physical health, meditate, and try to guard my sleep as much as possible within the context of a normal life.

[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So, I've seen a lot of people who were extremely sharp as PhD students become blunted as soon as 9--5 starts.

A lot of decline among adults can likely be traced back to increased cognitive load during working hours, which chips away at intelligence over time as folks burn out.

With kids it's harder to place, maybe it's walking the tightrope that is modern social interactions?

[–] match@pawb.social 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

i think with kids it's less attributable to wokedei and more a total collapse of the educational system mixed with higher and higher stress levels as the world loudly strains around them

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 3 points 17 hours ago

Corporations have used social media to colonize and profit from our attention spans, including those of children. Our mental capacity and attention spans are limited, especially children's. When the advertisers have had their fill, how much is left for learning?

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world -2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Every generation will be more intelligent than the last, our exponentially complicating world requires it.

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

Every generation will be more knowledgable than the previous… but there is no guarantee they’ll be more intelligent.

[–] drascus@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Its a lot of work but you have to constantly push. I am 42, but I read a few dozen books a year, I'm constantly learning new languages, new instruments, I write short stories for fun, do creative projects, and meditate. I still feel really sharp but I'm throwing down everyday.

[–] Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Neat! Tell us more!

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[–] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bored people can now tune into (source of entertainment) instead of learning.

I don't think the capacity for intelligence has dropped significantly, rather we as a society dedicate our time differently.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

entertainment

Bingo. We have a winner.

Lack of mental lifting. Critical thinking becomes too hard. Why innovate? The country has become fat, dumb and happy.

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 98 points 1 day ago (42 children)

Causes :
long covid ?
micro plastics ?
screen time ?
sedentarism ?
fast food ?
lack of sleep ?
other ?

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

All of these and more. Did you know our carbon emissions are changing the ratio of oxygen in the atmosphere as a whole? Guess which species is known to get dumber when oxygen deprived. Don't worry about the warming ocean's increasing acidity, it just makes the ocean a more difficult habitat for the phytoplankton that make 65%of the oxygen in the atmosphere.

I'm sure our normalcy bias will protect us or maybe the invisible space monkey will save his favorite primates if we can commit a few more hate crimes in his name.

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

That was already discussed in this post :
https://lemmy.world/post/26948801/15738537

copy pasted what i wrote :Present day atmosphere is about 400 or 450 PPM compare this to :

CO~2~ poisoning (Hypercapnia) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercapnia

→ Physiological effects :
A high arterial partial pressure of carbon dioxide ( Pa CO~2~ ) causes changes in brain activity that adversely affect both fine muscular control and reasoning. EEG changes denoting minor narcotic effects can be detected for expired gas end tidal partial pressure of carbon dioxide (...) increase from ((53,000 PPM)) to approximately (...) (66,000 PPM = 0.066 atm). The diver does not necessarily notice these effects.

[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 89 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Heavy metal exposure

Sugar

The proliferation of food additives being used that are known to dramatically lower IQ

The gelding of our education system by morons who favor religious dogma over scientific fact

Criminally underfunded schools thanks to political leaders who see investing in future generations as budget waste

Failure to teach children critical thinking skills before exposing them to technology that makes it simpler for them

Being constantly bombarded and overstimulated every waking moment by media

Being chronically overworked and underrested

Climate change

Take your pick. The answer is "probably, yes."

[–] PostaL@lemmy.world 11 points 21 hours ago

Heavy metal exposure

🤘😠🤘

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[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 34 points 1 day ago (9 children)

idiocracy intro?

(IE the theory it pushed was in short, smart people do family planning, try to wait for everything to be perfect... and forget to get around to having kids).

Meanwhile on the less intelligent spectrum. Shit I'm pregnant again!!!... Oh and I got the girl in the trailer next door pregnant.

Or for a real world example... look at Lauren Boebert, the 35 year old grandmother in congress.

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Short form content like those found on reddit and here on Lemmy have retrained my brain, I'm sure of it. I'm actively trying to fight it, by forcing myself to read full articles, scroll more slowly and try to engage more fully rather than just endlessly scrolling for the next dopamine hit.

It's easy to justify this behavior because "I'm just getting my news and staying informed" and while partially true it comes at the cost of the medium it's provided by. Screen "reading" has definitely changed our brains for the worse and most people have no clue its even happened.

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[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Idiocracy keeps becoming truer and truer every year.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

I fucking believe it.

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