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[-] pensivepangolin@lemmy.world 171 points 1 year ago

bUt ClImAtE cHaNgE iS a WoKe HoAx To TaKe OuR gAs StOvEs

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 88 points 1 year ago

Meanwhile...

Stanford researchers found that cooking with gas stoves can raise indoor levels of the carcinogen benzene above those found in secondhand smoke.

It's really wild how committed dumb people are to receiving Darwin awards for them and their families.

"Vaccines don't work and are a hoax, and it's unrelated people who agree with me are dying from COVID at a higher rate."

"Liberals want to take away my red meat every day of the week and limit how much high fructose corn syrup soda I drink in a day, but screw them. Unrelated, my whole family has diabetes and older members strangely have heart disease and colon cancers..."

People who treat science as a dirty word really seem to have higher all cause mortality. So bizarre and unexplainable.

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

People who treat science as a dirty word really seem to have higher all cause mortality.

The bigger crime is businesses that treat technological advancement as an excuse to charge more for what should be the new baseline standard.

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[-] Buffaloaf@lemmy.world 107 points 1 year ago

“Global daily mean temperatures never exceeded 1.5-degree Celsius (°C) above pre-industrial levels prior to 2000 and have only occasionally exceeded that number since then,” the researchers noted. “However, 2023 has already seen 38 days with global average temperatures above 1.5°C by 12 September—more than any other year—and the total may continue to rise.”

That's not good.

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[-] thefloweracidic@lemmy.world 98 points 1 year ago

I doubt society will even make it 50 more years. Hell I'm expecting the quality of life for the west to plummet with the decade.

[-] Oneobi@lemmy.world 80 points 1 year ago

The rich will survive only to discover they cannot achieve anything without the poor.

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

They're probably breeding drone slaves for Elysium

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Why do you think conservative's in US are against abortion?

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[-] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 78 points 1 year ago

"But we have a hundred years before the environment collapses!?"

Theoretically yes, but there's that sticky point of what happens to us when the environment is ~~collapsing~~ dying.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 year ago

Not to mention empathy for the next generation.

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Honestly, while it's very much an unpopular opinion, at this point I think it's unconscionable to add to that next generation and I definitely secretly judge my peers who do so as making an incredibly selfish decision likely dooming that child to a quite depressing future by the time they reach adulthood themselves.

Also, one of the worst things you can do for the environment in a developed nation is have a child.

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[-] matlag@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We also had decades to prevent climate change from happening and look how well we tackle it now.

I'm confident we'll have a plan to prevent that collapse that's due within 100 years, but to keep it reasonable, its execution will be spread over 100 years, and we think about starting in 80 years providing everything goes well in the meantime.

Chill, you can see it's all taken care of!

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[-] fadingembers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 year ago

It reminds me about how people talk about not caring about how they treat their bodies because they'll die early anyways, but they don't realize that what it really affects is their quality of life as they get older

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 70 points 1 year ago

Has been known for years, has also been ignored for years. Infinite growth is much more important than sustainability.

[-] 0x2d@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 year ago
[-] joostjakob@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

...any economic system that does not take externalised costs into account. This is not unique to capitalism.

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[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago

Wait, scientists think we're heading towards catastrophe??? Why hasn't anyone been saying this before? Oh, wait. Nevermind.

Find some comfort, prepare yourself for things to get worse for the rest of your life, and focus on and cherish the small things that make you happy. Those ones will stick around.

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[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago

An apt line from the article: "It’s natural to feel overwhelmed by the enormity of the challenge presented by climate change, but Ripple and his colleagues offer several solutions to avoid the worst possible outcomes."

I'm reminded of Mr. Rogers talking about how to stay optimistic and not fall into despair in the face of tragedy -- look to the helpers. No matter the crisis, there's always people helping out and showcasing the best of humanity.

15,000 scientists warned us -- 15,000 people are analyzing this issue to try and mitigate and solve it. On top of that you've got plenty of green energy companies across solar, wind, nuclear, hydrogen, geothermal, etc. People are doing their damnedest to fight against climate change no matter the odds, and that should fill you with inspiration and encouragement.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

People are doing their damnedest to fight against climate change no matter the odds, and that should fill you with inspiration and encouragement.

This is like saying people on the Titanic are doing their damnedest to fight the iceberg that's approaching right ahead and that should fill you with inspiration and encouragement.

We're not even stopping new drilling or driving cars with better MPG than decades ago; forget net zero carbon emissions. We're still pushing more CO2 into the air every year.

To come back to my analogy the passengers may want to swerve from the iceberg, but the captain is mad, drunk, and stubborn and wants to teach the iceberg a lesson.

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[-] Nonameuser678@aussie.zone 37 points 1 year ago

There's currently 5 bushfires burning around my state and it's only mid spring in the southern hemisphere. Last year we experienced devastating floods across the country on a scale we've never seen before. A few years before that we had one of the worst bushfire seasons in history.

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[-] MisterD@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 year ago

At least the billionaires will be safe so there's nothing to worry about.

/s

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[-] VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Even people who accept and believe climate change is real are unwilling to make any personal sacrifices and magically think some scientists somewhere will just solve the problem.

Nobody is coming to your rescue, the planet will save itself from the plague that is our industrial society. We could pretty easily fix this, but it would be politically unpopular, and therefore, won't happen.

[-] guacupado@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

The real clowns are the ones thinking the everyman is making more impact than the massive corporations. People making personal sacrifices won't fix this.

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[-] Ashe@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 year ago

It's not even that people are unwilling, the problem is that personal sacrifices are a mere drop in the bucket compared to industry pollution.

The problem with industry pollution is that it happens in the shadows. Supporting greener products is fantastic, but so many are in dire situations where they are unable to spend the money to support the extra cost.

[-] hangryshark@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Also, a lot of the companies who are "reducing their carbon footprint" are doing it by shady or insignificant means. John Oliver did a segment on it, and I remember one company basically paid to "protect" an area of forest that was already protected by the government from logging etc. So, this company "offset" their carbon footprint with land that wouldn't have been used for resources either way.

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[-] VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

I think people have a hard time imagining what its going to be like. They assume we'll just wake up one day and it will be Mad Max outside your window. It will be much more incremental.

Covid is probably the best analogy, it was a shock, there were major reactions and societal changes, but it got better over a couple years. It will probably be a lot like that, except the getting better part.

It will just slowly get worse and worse until you can hardly recognize the world around you. Floods getting slightly worse every year, hurricanes getting a bit stronger, insurance going higher until people just stop buying it, famines, gas price increases, food shortages.

Remember how people flipped out about not being able to buy TP? Wait until you can't buy coffee, then bread, and clean water becomes scarce, thats when shit gets real and we revert to survival of the fittest, or who has the most ammo.

Politicians will promise quick and easy solutions, none will work. We're in for a less comfortable, convenient world probably in most of our lifetimes. I'll be moving north, and at least +500 ft above sea level.

[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

Don't forget shitloads of migrants and refugees fleeing areas that are unsuitable for living because of flooding or other disasters.

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[-] MightEnlightenYou@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've stopped worrying about climate change. I now worry about AGI instead, which seems much more imminent.

I can't handle worrying about both.

[-] Shelena@feddit.nl 16 points 1 year ago

I think the threat of AGI is much, much lower than that of climate change. It is still debated under scholars whether AGI actually will happen (in the nearby future) and if it does, whether it will actually be a threat to humanity. On the other hand, we are sure that climate change will be a threat to humanity and it is already happening.

I think the main issue with AI on te short term is that humanity will not benefit from it, only large businesses and the already wealthy. While at the same time, people are manipulated at a large scale by these same algorithms (e.g., on social media) to make money for these large businesses or to create societal discord for parties benefitting from that.

I think instilling fears of AGI in the public distracts from that and reduces the chances that this technology will be available to the larger public as these fears might lead to strict regulations and only having a few powerful parties having access to it.

So, don't fear AGI. Fear climate change. Also, be very critical of who has the power over current AI systems and how they are being used.

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