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Summary

Canada has avoided the severe egg shortages and soaring prices seen in the U.S. due to differences in farming practices and regulations.

While avian flu has devastated large American egg farms, Canada’s smaller farms and tightly sealed barns have limited the impact.

The U.S.’s industrialized egg industry, driven by cost efficiency, is vulnerable to supply shocks when outbreaks occur.

Canada’s supply management system ensures stable production and restricts imports, keeping farms smaller. Meanwhile, U.S. consumers face continued egg price surcharges and supply pressures.

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[–] redwattlebird 29 points 1 day ago

So, to summarise, don't put all your eggs into one basket.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

TL;DR version: Late Stage Capitalism

[–] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago

Yuuuuuuup. Too many business went vertical and tried to claim majority of the market but that just doesn’t work long term. It’s all about small and medium size company’s growing horizontal and employing people. You can say these capitalist corporations put too many eggs and one basket and they’re showing in plain sight how they’re failing. Good example how other countries are doing is similar to Trader Joe’s and “hipster”(is there a better name for this?) restaurants working with small local farms. Medium scale is In n out/chipotle/chicfila & Costco. There shouldn’t be anything large scale except supply and employment.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s one egg, Michael. How much could it cost? Ten dollars?

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 78 points 2 days ago (3 children)

But perhaps the biggest difference is that egg farms in Canada are much smaller, so when one farm does suffer a flu outbreak, the effects are less far-reaching. The typical egg farm in Canada has about 25,000 laying hens, whereas many farms in the U.S. have well over a million. In effect, American farmers have put a lot more of their eggs in a relatively small number of baskets.

About what you would expect.

[–] Fishamatician@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

The US has frequent salmonella outbreaks as well, most countries vaccinate the hens but the US poultry industry said that 14 cents per bird would harm profits....

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 39 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A million. Christ. Probably all caged living awful lives, poor things.

I have 2 backyard chickens and they are really happy. Fresh eggs every day.

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don't worry 50% get shredded instantly because they are riosters.

[–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

"Them that die'll be the lucky ones"

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In other words - taking capitalism to the extreme to cut costs.

“What if we just pay chicken farmers for their eggs and sell them?”

“But it will be much more cost effective if we cram these million chickens into a warehouse and drive the small guys out of business!”

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This is not a capitalist-specific issue. This is an anti-competitive-specific issue.

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 131 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Despite the trade war, the U.S. government has one potential solution to help meet demand and keep egg prices from climbing even higher: temporarily increasing egg imports.

I think the world should tacitly embargo the USA for eggs, since Trump doesn't care to treat any trading partner well.

I don't think it should be tacit. It should be explicit - no eggs, no meat, no fish, no natural resource produced within the USA should be imported or exported. And if the US government won't do that, let the rest of the world manage it.

[–] gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com 19 points 2 days ago

I think it would be more fun if they did it explicitly instead of tacitly.

[–] ReanuKeeves@lemm.ee 13 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I think we should get Elon to attach rockets to America and launch the whole place into space

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 98 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

It's worth noting that supply management is a type of central planning where we centrally determine how much we'll produce and what the price of production will be.

Individual, often small, farmers then produce those eggs and get paid this price. The price and quantities are set so that it's sustainable for farmers to produce. Farmers have the certainty they'll sell their product at a decent price. They aren't at the mercy of the market putting them underwater after they've spent large amounts of capital to produce.

Consumers pay a generally higher price for eggs than the absolute minimum possible, but we also avoid paying much higher prices during shocks and shortages. Our farming sector isn't consolidated by necessity of achieving the lowest price.

We do this with more than eggs.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean, central planning would be more like the dairy board, but both the prices they sell for and the prices the farmers pay to suppliers are fixed at weird values, so they never can afford quite enough containers for the amount of product they produce, and have no reason to add new cheeses until things build to a crisis point and politicians are involved.

Nothing is centrally controlled outside of what a normal business controls AFAIK, so it's more of a plain legally enforced monopoly, like monarchs used to grant by letters of patent.

[–] Brokkr@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago

That sounds like socialism which is bad because it's bad. Look what happened in Canada, they didn't pay animal and worker abusingly low prices and now they don't have insanely high prices. Without causing these situations they are denying large parts of their population high sustained cortisol levels.

This is why we need to maintain our threats of annexation. We must provide them the stress that their government denies them.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Broiler chickens, dairy, and other poultry industries have this.

We should bring it back for crops (return of CWB)?

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[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 36 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i'm kind of surprised us hasnt just been disregarding the avian flu and used the diseased chickens as if there was nothing wrong, that would fit with everything else going on

[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

RFK Jr seems to be leaning that way right now, suggesting they should just let it spread.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

really good time to go vegan. fucking american plague rats.

[–] Paragone@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I'm vegan, usually, because the meditations I want cannot be reached when I'm not.

Please try intermittently supplementing with Choline if you go vegan: choline-deficiency produces a "chronic fatigue syndrome" condition.

I need 2x tablets / day, when vegan, so 200mg actual-choline, in 500mg of choline bitartrate.

I don't want other people having the damn years of difficulties I had, for no reason.

Simply try it, & if it consistently removes vegan-chronic-fatigue-syndrome from your life, THEN that was the cause, & make that supplementation permanent.

I'm not saying all will be so affected, but fscking years I wasted trying to find the cause of that part of my health-problems..

it's an actual chemical-requirement, for some.

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[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I've been vegan before. I know how much of a pain nutritional balancing can be. My diet tends to be pretty high in soy potatoes and broccoli. really miss real potatoes and broccoli.

[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As someone in a household with a lot of egg allergies, a lot of the vegan substitutes these days are surprisingly good. A scramble or omelet using Just Egg is surprisingly similar to the real deal, and the egg substitute powder from Bob's Red Mill is good for a lot of baking.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

for me it's not just about the egg shortage; I don't trust meat or dairy from here to be safe anymore. but.

you need to spam the front page with this.

[–] greenhorn@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

I use Bob's red mill egg replacer for baking by default to save my eggs for breakfast, and tho I've never done a one-to-one comparison, it has always satisfied my baking needs.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 29 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Another major factor is that Canada raises more of their chickens indoors due to how cold it gets, significantly decreasing their risk of exposure to avian flu.

The US has way more free-range chickens, and free-range chickens are most at risk.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Yes and no. Free range in America means "raised in a huge building and never seeing sunlight." Basically what separates them from cage free is that thousands of birds all share one giant cage instead of four birds to a cage inside the larger cage.

Pasture raised are the ones that get to go outside and eat bugs in the sunshine.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Free range vs pasture raised in America

Canada is a bit different in its designations. 'Free run' means they're in the barn and 'free range' means they have access outside the barn (weather permitting ofc).

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, but to how much outdoor area? IIRC it's still pretty factory farm. Maybe you can get super-freerange eggs as well, but not at my local store.

Backyard hens are dope.

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago

actually its overcrowding in farms too, they have indoor farms where its considered free range, but enough chickens to become crowded and you see dead chickens that are discovered til later.

[–] dnick@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago

Not sure if it's still this way, but a documentary years ago described the ridiculous technicality that allowed a farm to call themselves free range. It was like a door that led outside to a 4 foot cube area shared by thousands and thousands of chicken. Basically enough room for like three chickens to spread their wings... If they happened to find the door, and it wasn't already crowded... And they were actually able to walk.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (7 children)

driven by cost efficiency,

It's not so cost efficient now is it?
Poor safety standards is a short term strategy.

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Have you seen egg producer profits lately? It's great for them to have an opportunity to find out exactly how much consumers are willing to pay for their precious eggs. Super cost efficient, for them.

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[–] CouFou@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 days ago

Eggs are now the most common thing being seized at the Mexican border too atm.

[–] Aliktren@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In the annals of future history, ww3 was started because of eggs.

[–] blakenong 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, Civil War 2 is eggs, WW3 is because the US tried to take over Greenland, Canada, and Panama… perhaps to get more eggs.

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

Maybe because Canada isn't a shithole country?

[–] hikuro93@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The US in this is the spitting stereotypical image of a man building something, and going "What's this? Don't need manuals. (Throws manual away)", and then wondering why nothing fits, why some parts don't seem to have a place to go, and some other parts are missing.

Why regulations? They serve no purpose. Why does no one import US hormone-riddled meat and heavily synthesized food products? I really wonder.

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