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Conventional wisdom regarding finishing cutting boards and other food prep surfaces is to coat them heavily with mineral oil and/or a food safe paste wax to "seal" and/or "condition" them. Seri Robinson asserts otherwise, her research has shown that any finish applied to wood decreases its natural anti-microbial properties.

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[–] callcc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Who found this out? The CIA? Seems clear to me.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 22 points 19 hours ago
[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 14 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

But then the wood cracks and starts to fall apart? Or perhaps this only happens with glued projects?

[–] HewlettHackard@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The article discusses glue joints. Did you make it through the whole article?

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 1 points 52 minutes ago

Hey hey watch your blood pressure. I'm sure he didn't mean it.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 10 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

There are a lot of questions I have.

I found a more scholarly article credited to several authors including Robinson which specifically focuses on wood's absorption of microbes depending on the finish applied, testing no finish, mineral oil, and raw linseed oil, and different amounts of applications thereof.

This study mentions the end grain structure of the four wood species tested. The test samples were "4.5 x 4.5 x 2 cm with the tangential face on the broad side." Dafuq does "tangential" mean in this context? As far as I can tell the science hippy bullshit boils down to "we put bacteria on the wood, and then we looked to see if we could find any bacteria on the wood after 0, 1 and 24 hours."

Both the study and the article assume relying on wood's "natural anti-microbial properties" and only rinsing with cold water. I've been oiling my cutting boards and briefly washing them with warm water and soap. Who cares if bacteria is still on the surface if I wash the damn thing with Dawn?

"Cross-contamination is a myth, but if you're gonna cook meat but not veggies cut the veggies first." What?

Does "tangential" mean plain sawn, quarter sawn or end grain? The FineWoodworking article shows pictures of a simple plank showing plain sawn/cathedral grain. The article says the wood species tested were chosen for their differing end grain structures. But then the article talks about avoiding glued-up boards because the glue is a problem for the wicking action.

"Conditioning is a myth {...} conflicting grain orientations can also lead to cracking and warping after repeated wet/dry cycles."

Seri Robinson is a Ph.D. of woodology and I'm just some guy with a table saw, but...I'm not sure the science is done here.

[–] HewlettHackard@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 hours ago

Tangential on the broad face would mean it’s flat sawn (plain sawn). Like how woodworkers care about tangential vs radial shrinkage of wood species.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

TIL thanks

i used food-safe oils in the past such as sunflower oil, especially for outdoor objects. for indoor-objects, i sometimes leave them without oil, but it does get more stains over time.

Just about everyone including the article above warns against most natural plant oils because they can go rancid.

[–] classic@fedia.io 1 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

So wood absorbs the microbes where they eventually suffocate and die, according to this article. But is there then a buildup of dead microbes (and their waste products)?

[–] callcc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Microbes are usually totally fine. You are full of them, the world is full of them. Don't panic.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Dehydrate and die is more accurate

We live in a sea of dead and alive microbes, it's fine. Cooking food kills them and we consume them with every meal

[–] classic@fedia.io 2 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not so much concerned as interested, in this person's proposed model, what happens to this accumulated detritus. Maybe it's just that it's negligible. But it must accumulate

[–] HewlettHackard@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

The illustrations seem to indicate that stains and dead microbes accumulate in the middle of the wood, deep below the surface. It would be interesting to slice an old wood cutting board in half and see the accumulated stains!

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

That penetration is super exaggerated. Ever cut through a stained (i.e. pigment-stained) board? Board painted with a water-based paint? Those paint pigment particles are same scale as microbes, so you should expect them to penetrate to similar depth. Surface cleaning and routine abrasion get rid of most of it. Go over the surface with a scraper - take off 20-50 microns - and you're pretty much down to virgin wood.

[–] classic@fedia.io 1 points 3 hours ago

You're on to.something here. And you're right: that illustration probably distorted my understanding of the process

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 0 points 10 hours ago

Nobody says You can't wash the thing occasionally