Or just having a black woman on the bridge as a senior officer next to the captain

Or a Russian as a helmsman

Or a Japanese asian man next them

Or a freaking Scotsman yelling nonsense from the boiler room

It was the first televised interracial kiss.

At least in the USA if not the world.

Just imagine what they could come up with in the future. A female captain? A black station commander? No way, Star Trek has gone down the gutter. I'm not watching TNG. They can stick their wokeness where the sun don't shine.

Go back even further! The cage almost canceled the entire show because a woman was merely implied to be captaining the ship for a quick while 😰😰

My favorite TOS episode was the one where they showed the clear superiority of the aliens with the white/black faces over the aliens with the black/white faces. The genocide part went a bit far, but in the end those black/white face guys had it coming.

They had a black woman in a respected, professional position with an officer's rank. The same with an Asian man.

They tackled race relations (in an admittedly very silly way) when no one else would touch it.

They had one of the first onscreen kisses between a white person and a black person.

Starfleet was created as a military force, but dedicated to peaceful exploration and science at the height of the Vietnam war.

Can you even imagine what today's Republicans would say about it back then? There would be a boycott of the network the first time Uhura was onscreen and it wouldn't have finished the season because there were only three networks.

Can't LGBT+ be included unless its meaningful? I dont like that "pandering" argument. It is too easy to misuse, too subjective.

I want them included in bad shows as much as in good shows. I want a random background person to be gay just as much as an important character. Best case would be if we didnt even raise an eyebrow on seeing a LGBT+ character and rather critizise their acting or plot instead of blaming "pandering". I dont hear anyone call forcing a unecessary romantic straight subplot into a plot for "pandering".

I don't want this serialized shit.

I've seen 4 generations of the show, all were episodic. All of a sudden, everything is serialized. Fuck that. Give me self-contained, 43-45 minute stories I can watch in any order and not be like "wait, wtf is going on?"

DS9 and Voyager (and the new season of Lower Decks is doing it too with the mysterious ship plot) have been able to have both an overarching story line while still being episodic. Why can't Picard or Discovery do that?

Yeah I’m pretty sure that is what is turning me off the current shows. I don’t mind the representation, since that’s a core element of Trek and has been since the first show.

Just that the shows, especially discovery, felt very lecturing and on the nose. I don’t want literal current day talking points in space. I want to see a future where those issues have been overcome and it is normal and no big deal.

Though I may be biased because I hated the stamets character, or rather the whole engineering department.

Neurotic gay scientist who is always preoccupied with his emotions and personal life but is also as an afterthought the smartest guy in the galaxy, featuring snarky butch lesbian wonder engineer who is preoccupied with being obnoxious kinda gets old after some episodes.

I think it's starting to turn around.

Discovery - I stopped watching after season 2 cause I thought it was so bad

Picard - season 1-2 terrible. Season 3 pretty good

Lower Decks - all good

Strange New worlds - only watched S1, not my favorite but will definitely watch S2

Prodigy - never saw it so IDK

I think Discovery and Picard really ruined the reputation of modern Star Trek. Overall I think it's at worst it's average.