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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 5 points 4 hours ago

Finally a use case for "AI": defrauding community colleges.

sigh

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

New piece from Tante: These are not the same, arguing that the infrastrucure left after AI bubble's burst will leave infrastructure which will be actively damaging to a democratic society.

Its not the first piece I've seen about the bubble's potential aftermath (that goes to MAIHT3K), but it does give another perspective on it.

[–] jaschop@awful.systems 4 points 3 hours ago

I can see tante's point. Besides AI datacenters being used for surveillance tech, I can also see LLM tech itself used nefariously post-bubble. Maybe maintaining an up-to-date LLM as a product is not viable, but a custom-trained model to snipe public online discourse around a crucial election could remain affordable for a wealthy fascist.

On the bright side, I am hoping for a brief period of powerful yet affordable gaming PCs thanks to retrofitted, slightly singed Blackwells.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 4 points 7 hours ago

I mean, what has crypto left over? All of that is only useful for sanctions busting and money laundering

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 11 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

LessWronger puts in the work and determines that LLMs can't spacially vizualize for shit, comments are like "well you're prompting it wrong" (paraphrased) as well as "why not pay experiences machinists to videotape what they're doing os their work can be automated"

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/r3NeiHAEWyToers4F/frontier-ai-models-still-fail-at-basic-physical-tasks-a#comments

The article itself is worth reading for some insights in the challenges of using current "AI" (LLMs) to work in the real world.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 11 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

“why not pay experiences machinists to videotape what they’re doing os their work can be automated”

none of these people had a job in manufacturing, or even possibly any real job, it's called CNC and there are way better tools for making it work than stochastic parrot

e: ok at least op is a machinist

Interestingly, many of these models also score at or above the level of some human experts on visual reasoning benchmarks like MMMU. That which is easy to measure often doesn't correlate with real world usefulness.

benchmarks could be perhaps possibly fucked with? say it aint so!

My high level impression when reading the response is “someone who can parrot textbook knowledge but doesn’t know what they’re talking about”.

with corpus consisting of toy problems only, and with solutions that depending on field can kill whoever uses these

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 6 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

The fact this commenter doesn't mention the absolute fuckton of machining videos on Youtube tells me they're just talking out of their ass.

(not that forcing those into LLM slop would help but a hypothetical AGI would learn a lot)

Also

Dario Amodei, CEO of Anthropic, recently worried about a world where only 30% of jobs become automated, leading to class tensions between the automated and non-automated. Instead, he predicts that nearly all jobs will be automated simultaneously, putting everyone "in the same boat."

Dario is delusional. We don't even have self driving cars outside of a very small, very expensive demo in SF

[–] cstross@wandering.shop 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

@gerikson I'd like to see him automating bed-turning a frail 90 year old in a nursing home so she doesn't get bed sores (ulcers—open wounds from lying on a creased sheet or just in the same position for too long). A 90yo with cognitive impairment who's scared of robots.

[–] jonpsp@mstdn.social 3 points 4 hours ago

@cstross @gerikson This doesn't sound promising: "A growing body of evidence is finding that robots tend to end up creating more work for caregivers"

https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/01/09/1065135/japan-automating-eldercare-robots/

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 7 points 8 hours ago

amazement at chatbots comes from demographic that did not binge watch how it's made in middle school

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 16 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

don't want to spam the stubsack with US politics but guys I am awfully scared

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 2 points 1 hour ago

It really looks like it's on an awful trajectory.

In my teens I read about how Leo Szilard took a train out of Germany the day after the Nazis took power. Passed the border before border checks had time to come into force. Seemed obvious then, now I am all to aware of the problems of such a "simple" plan and the ties that binds you, not least family. And of course not knowing in advance how bad it will be, until after. And not knowing if you jump from the ashes and land in the fire, lots of countries are on the same trajectory but further back. Fascism is yet again the choice, the owners choice in the face of climate change.

I'm rambling and it's late. Sympathies and solidarity.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 12 hours ago

Yeah, it is fucking scary. My sympathies and solidarity. Small thing, perhaps a good reminder for everybody to check their opsec (esp if you are an administrator of things, check which data you do not need, or should not fall into the current (or future) us/other fascist administrations hands. And remember while spying on Americans by the various orgs is illegal, trading for information on them with other countries is not. Don't forget backups). It is horrible that it has come to this. One small point of light is that they are fools and can't shut up or be subtle. At least that has a chance to motivate more people to do something, which if it gets to the worst (and it is getting close) more people will actually resist (sadly a lot of people will have to realize that the point becomes not to win, but to impose costs/friction, and any wins are a bonus, which is a horrible realization in itself). Really hope this doesn't make things worse mentally btw.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 8 points 15 hours ago

I can only offer my solidarity and sympathies. If I were still living in the US, I’d probably have started taking firearms training and bought some by now.

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 13 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I hear you! If like me you have ever worried that you are overreacting; know that you are not. I have no idea how so many of my coworkers can just treat this all as politics as usual.

My heart breaks for the civilians rounded up and treated as terrorists without due process.

Being transgender I am acutely aware of how close I am to the top of the US autocracy's public enemy list. This is self serving but since January I've been working on getting while the getting is good (plus, I hate that my taxes go to the current federal government).

Me and my three siblings (a librarian, a researcher, and a med student) are all worried for our futures for different reasons; which is statistically just kind of impressive!

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 5 points 18 hours ago

Solidarity from TN

[–] maol@awful.systems 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

Noted sex pest Andrew Cuomo wants to run for Mayor in New York, and he might actually have a chance given the incumbent Democratic candidate is corruption magnet Eric Adams. Housing is a big issue in New York, so what's Cuomo's plan? Well, his plan is to use chat gpt to write his plan.

Angry New York Democrats were using the slogan DREAM meaning Don't Rank Eric Adams for Mayor. It was then amended to Don't Rank Eric or Andrew for Mayor, and amended again to Don't Rank Evil Andrew for Mayor.

[–] maol@awful.systems 2 points 3 hours ago

Update: another acronym.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

eric adams should change his platform to “I’m not cuomo”

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I dunno, how's the "I'm not Donald Trump" platform been working out so far?

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 6 points 14 hours ago

Well. I don’t want adams to win

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago

COMMERCIAL NOTICE: Pivot to AI now has T-shirts! yeah, I sorted out Redbubble. Also does mugs and stuff. All proceeds go to a worthy cause, i.e. me.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

ZITRON DROPPED

New piece from Ed Zitron - a 44-minute read about OpenAI's threat to the entire tech industry

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If OpenAI’s funding round with Softbank goes as planned, it’ll raise the equivalent of the entire GDP of Estonia — a fairly wealthy country itself, and one that’s also a member of Nato and the European Union. That alone should give you a sense of the truly insane scale of this.

so not only saltman is capable of burning enough power to be comparable to middle-sized euro country, he can also burn small euro country gdp

they are not serious people. damn if i only started grifting instead of getting socially useful skillset

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

I was reminded of Risky Business and how some of the cybersecurity is sometimes relevant to this sub, which reminded me they talked about this Cryptocurrency people being actually rubber hosed

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Today in relevant skeets:

::: spoiler transcript Skeet: If you can clock who this is meant to be instantly you are on the computer the perfect amount. You’re doing fine don’t even worry about it.

Quoted skeet: 'Why are high fertility people always so weird?' A weekend with the pronatalists

Image: Egghead Jr. and Miss Prissy from Looney Tunes Foghorn Leghorn shorts.

[–] aninjury2all@awful.systems 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Word of advice to the press: Stop 👏 giving 👏 natalists 👏 free 👏 platforms 👏

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Every 3 months! Every 3 months fucking hell. (I know because last time they came in the news I opened a tab with them in it, and their faces was the last I saw before my monitor exploded, like literally suddenly I sat in darkness.

[–] maol@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All I've learned from the most recent round of publicity is that herself has a new hat. It looks stupid

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A new hat let me check almost clicks wait a minute, I can't afford a new monitor, you are trying to trick me!

[–] maol@awful.systems 8 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Just close your eyes and imagine a mediaeval yokel who has accused her sister's girlfriend of being a witch so she can take over her turnip patch. No need for a new monitor

[–] maol@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Infamous Dr Who "big name fan" Ian Levine is using generative AI to recreate lost episodes of the show. This got some mainstream press coverage and fans seem miffed.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

christ. can't he go back to disco, he was good at that

[–] maol@awful.systems 3 points 23 hours ago

I think Ian Levine loves Doctor Who more than he loves disco. That's the only explanation for Doctor In Distress.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I got a spam message with a phishing link.... Via Github? Seriously? Are we really doing this?

Not a completely unusual comment.... From the URL it was very obvious that this was a phishing link though. Curiosity got the better of me. The site shows you a "cloudflare" captcha. OK, let's click the checkbox. The usual loading animation starts, then this is shown:

Yeah ok, right....

I'm actually a bit impressed with this, these captchas are so common, I didn't even really think about checking the box. But of course, that interaction means the browser will allow the site to add something to your clipboard.

But like.... Why distribute it via Github? I cannot think of a worse audience to try and con into "paste something random into your windows console". Am I just being naive here? Is this something common I somehow never experienced before?

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah that copy paste commands that give control over your pc shit is pretty nasty. Also over a year old at least. So it isnt specifically an attack at vibe coders. Not sure what the initial targets were but these usually try to target people not that knowledgeable in computer matters so lol that this now includes vibe coders.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ah, I had been wondering if this is new, or I had just never noticed it. So it's the latter, good to know.

It's kind of genius as well.... A single comment will get the attention of potentially dozens of people, sent to a valid email address without having to guess/buy lists, and there's an air of "trust" around the (completely legit) mail you then get from github, containing the link.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

I don't know how new it is, but it first dropped on my radar about a year ago due to listening to the Risky Business cybersecurity podcast, not to be confused with the recent (and baffingly named (*)) podcast called 'Risky Business with Nate Silver and Maria Konnikova' (**) by dweeb Nate Silver. So I don't know how long it was going on the wild, and im talking about the windows button + r attack method and not the github comments, no idea how long they used comments as a vector. And yes that part is also good, like the addition of trust of github + quite an effective attack is clever. Shouldn't work on Real Nerds however.

*: The name means that at least one of they didn't [know|care|google] about the decades old cybersecurity podcast before naming their podcast that is true. Any of those is odd.

**: addition to above, the tagline of the podcast is 'a weekly podcast about making better decisions' Look inwards Nate, look inwards.

[–] rook@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Getting in early on targeting the vibe coder demographic.

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[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Github only catches strays, it's much more widely deployed

Yeah, that this happens elsewhere I have no doubt, I just never noticed on GH before.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

"Inference Magazine," a substack written by a young feller named "Wiseman" who, in the most recent article, says "nuh-uh, you're the parrot" to the work of Dr. Bender and co (and the rest of humanity, by extension).

https://inferencemagazine.substack.com/

The hackernews thread is a real Bad Philosophy turkey shoot:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43655780

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

These people need to sit through a college level class on linguistics or something like that. This is a demonstration of why STEM majors need general higher education.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Orange site really is out here reinventing hard behaviorism.

"We can't directly observe internal states beyond our own subjectivity" -> Let's try to ignore them and see what we get" -> "We've developed a model that doesn't feature internal states as a meaningful element of cognition" -> "there are no internal states" -> "I know I'm a stochastic parrot but what are you?"

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago

Damn well put!

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago

some parrots are more stochastic than others

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