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By Paul Adams in Jerusalem, Anthony Zucher in Tel Aviv & Graeme Baker BBC News


Israel has rebuffed US Secretary of State Antony Blinken's call for a "humanitarian pause" in Gaza.

Mr Blinken said he had discussed the idea with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other officials during their talks in Tel Aviv.

But in a TV statement minutes later, Mr Netanyahu said Israel rejected "a temporary ceasefire that does not include the release of our hostages".

He said that Israel was "continuing with all our force" against Hamas.

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[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago
[-] mwguy@infosec.pub 15 points 1 year ago

Honestly, it's hard to imagine that the aid we give to the Middle East wouldn't be better spent in the Caribbean and in Central America.

[-] xenomor@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

If the Biden administration really wanted this, they wouldn’t ‘call for’ it. They would demand it and coerce those fascist fucks to comply. This is theater. It provides Biden a talking point to claim that he isn’t quite as ghoulish as a few Americans are starting to realize that he is.

[-] Zippit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Note that Biden and his administration are changing their tone, only AFTER major backlash from the Muslim community, the UN, EU and all the demonstrations going on. Turkey just cut ties with Netanyahu, yes everybody shits on Turkey, but at least they know how to give a signal.

*"Netanyahu is no longer someone we can talk to. We have written him off," Turkish media quoted Erdogan as saying.

Erdogan's remarks came a week after Israel said it was "re-evaluating" its relations with Ankara because of Turkey's increasingly heated rhetoric about the Israel-Hamas war.* Like, you know everyone has a right to an opinion?

Kids are dying every minute and all Biden can come up with is a plan to fight Islamaphobia? Bitch we don't need your plan, every minority group has learned to survive without you.

The world has changed, no one's buying this shit anymore. There is no fucking way Israel will come out of this war as a victor. Starving people to death, cutting off water, displacing them and then bombing them indiscriminately to death even before setting one foot on the ground and then claim victory? History will know them forever as the cowards they are. Not 'smart' but cowards.

Wouldn't surprise me if Biden threw a few aliens at us at this point to distract us from what's going on.

The only thing he can do now, is to pack up his warships or hell, just even threaten to pack up, to let Israel see how serious he is and STOP Vetoing UN humanitarian aid resolutions.

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[-] cyd@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Israel knows that the US will back it up no matter what, so it doesn't have to listen.

Blinken also knows that Israel knows. The US calls for humanitarian aid, etc, are public theatre designed to be rebuffed by Israel without consequences. So Biden gets to show the world that he is very concerned over human rights, even as Israel flattens Gaza.

[-] GreatFord@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Between the unflinching support of the US, the world doing nothing to stop genocide across the globe, and the lack of any consequence for nuclear powers, they know they have basically carte blanche.

[-] tictac2@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

“Thanks for the money, now stfu”

[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago

If Western countries actually cared for human rights, they'd be blockading Israel right now until they agreed to stop the indiscriminate harm towards civilians. US politicians are asking for the bare minimum, and even that is far too much for Israel. It cannot be explained by anything other than bloodlust.

[-] Nobody@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Qatar might be able to work out a deal to release a handful of hostages for a temporary ceasefire. Give Gaza time to get clean water, food,evacuate the wounded, and most importantly get both sides talking.

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub -4 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure Hamas has flatly denied the possibility of hostage release.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

What? Hamas is waiting for negotiations for hostage release. It's Israel that refused. Oh, and also, they've already released some of them, though not a lot.

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub -1 points 1 year ago

My understanding is that Hamas wants concessions in return for a hostage release. Israel isn't interested in that.

[-] TheDankHold@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Which is what they said. Israel refused negotiations.

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

That's not refusing negotiations. Hamas wants a ceasefire. Israel wanta it's hostages. That's peanutbutter meet jelly. They're both negotiating they just might not be willing to budge enough to find common ground.

[-] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Last I heard hamas wanted a hostage trade (for hamas terrorists). Although Israel unwillingness to comply seems to me less like playing hard ball and more trying to save face after letting hamas attack and take their people.

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub -2 points 1 year ago

The last time they traded terrorists for civilians those terrorists were used to conduct a slave raid against their people.

[-] Fades@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Hubris

Biden, I know it will never happen given the relationship between the two nations but maybe give sanctions a thought

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

Given the support in the West, I think it's unlikely that sanctions on Gaza would be politically viable.

But sanctions on Gaza similar to the ones we put on Venezuela to force an election should absolutely be considered.

[-] autotldr 2 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Mr Blinken said he had discussed the idea with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other officials during their talks in Tel Aviv.

The US diplomatic effort came as Israel pressed its offensive against Hamas, with commanders saying that their forces had encircled Gaza City and were engaged in a "complex urban fight".

In his visit to the country, Mr Blinken offered a message of continued US support and sought assurances that Israel would take "concrete steps" to protect Palestinian civilians.

Mr Blinken, on his second trip to the region in a month, said the US had provided Israel advice on how to minimise civilian deaths while still trying to "finish" Hamas.

In comments made at a news conference beside the Israeli President Isaac Herzog, Mr Blinken said the US stood "strongly with Israel it has the right and obligation to defend itself and to ensure the events of 7 October never happen again."

Mr Herzog said Israel was going to great lengths to warn Gazans of airstrikes, as he held up a pamphlet that he said was being dropped in the Strip telling civilians to leave the war zone in the north.


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