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[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 18 points 4 hours ago

Press X to doubt.

[–] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 21 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

The Kunts - Prince Andrew Is A Sweaty Nonce

As this song asks, why did Prince Andrew (or ultimately the British tax payer) pay Virginia Giuffre £12m if he didn't do anything?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-12m-court-settlement-26244075

[–] TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 145 points 8 hours ago (3 children)
[–] gaja@lemm.ee 39 points 5 hours ago

The other comments be like, "this lady is dumb because she killed herself and definitely just changed her mind and definitely wasn't murdered, despite expressing that she will likely be murdered."

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

This is a stupid thing to write tho unless you update it regularly and verifiably. Anyone can fake it and things change, maybe someone wasnt suicidal but then became suicidal.

In this case i wouldnt doubt it for a second if someone claimed she was murdered, but thats beside the point. If you want to make sure that you cant be "suicided" then you need people close to you that can act as witnesses to your mental well being right before you got killed.

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 50 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

She is literally trying to avoid having the people close to her getting targeted, it's like right there in the post.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 120 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Whenever suicide is mentioned in conjunction with Epstein, the answer is it wasn’t suicide. Even so, it means there will be no justice.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

If someone is shot and paralyzed, but dies years later from complications it is ruled as a murder in connection with the shooting. If someone is horrifically abused and commits suicide, should the suspects of the abuse have some culpability in the death?

Whether suicide or murder, her blood is on Epstein and company's hands.

[–] idriss@lemm.ee 1 points 4 minutes ago

well said. I would add his clients too.

[–] kruhmaster@sh.itjust.works 163 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

She said she would never commit suicide. She was murdered.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 45 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Three weeks ago, Ms Giuffre posted on Instagram to say she had been seriously injured in a car accident, which her family later said she had not intended to make public. Local police later disputed the severity of the crash.

This part makes me wonder. If I remember at the time of it, it was a kidney injury that without dialysis would have given about 4 days to live. She recently split up with her husband after 22 years. I'll start by saying dialysis isn't fun. The emotional rollercoaster she has been on would devastate anyone.

That being said, all of this would not have happened if she hadn't been trafficked. I maintain an opinion that traumatic crimes result in suicide, then the perpetrators are murderers.

Regardless if she died by her own action or not, she was murdered.

With that opinion stated. Yeah. Without a lot more information I'm sort of expecting the suicide to be self-intlicted gunshot wounds to the back of her head while her hands were tied.

[–] CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 14 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Interestingly in the uk it is possible to prosecute someone for manslaughter if their partner/ex kills themselves due to domestic abuse. Trafficking involves coercive control just like DA and there's an overlap between traffickers and DA in general.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 3 points 5 hours ago

Yeah. I'm inclined to believe this was suicide, but she was driven to it primarily by the abuse.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 71 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Don't forget that the president of the United States is caught up in all of this too.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 51 points 8 hours ago

Three weeks ago, Ms Giuffre posted on Instagram to say she had been seriously injured in a car accident, which her family later said she had not intended to make public. Local police later disputed the severity of the crash.

The prince, who has denied all claims against him, reached an out-of-court settlement with her in 2022. The settlement included a statement in which he expressed regret for his association with Epstein but contained no admission of liability or apology.

West Australia police said they were called to a home in the Neergabby area on Friday night, where Ms Giuffre was found unresponsive. A statement continued: "The death is being investigated by Major Crime detectives; early indication is the death is not suspicious."

Right now, I'll go with "non-consensual assisted suicide"

[–] BestBouclettes@lemmy.world 40 points 7 hours ago

A high profile, vocal survivor of a human trafficking case involving the president of the United States and a UK royalty, offs herself weeks after being involved in a car crash that almost killed her. That's almost Russian Windows levels of coincidence right there.

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 76 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The car wreck didn't kill her so someone was sent to finish the job.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

So let me get this straight, you think some hitman posed, as a school bus driver of all things, to assassinate her, and that failing, she's so important that someone else gets sent in to get her?

Occam's Razor is dead.

[–] CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 11 points 6 hours ago

This is an absolute tragedy, she deserved to live a long happy life. I wouldn't be surprised if she'd been murdered, although suicide is highly likely given what she's suffered. I hope she's at peace now

[–] Tm12@lemmy.ca 42 points 8 hours ago

Rest in Power. Andrew and Co are sick fucks.

[–] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 45 points 9 hours ago

Some would say she got the Princess Di treatment

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Here come the conspiracy theorists.

Could it be that being in the spotlight is exhausting and depressing? Could being a victim of sex trafficking have a huge mental toll? Could it be that her relatives actually know her mental state better than some dude sitting on a couch halfway across the world.

No, of course not, it has to be murder because that makes everything more exciting.

[–] Franklin@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

This leaves out that she repeatedly expressed concern for her safety and affirmed that she was not suicidal.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

And suicidal people are always honest about not being suicidal, right?

[–] Franklin@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

that's not what I said, what I said was you weren't forthright with that fact while constructing a narrative that it's not reasonable to suspect foul play.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 40 minutes ago

Wow, you should really call up her family and tell them they're wrong. Those poor fools who knew her and were with her day after day think she committed suicide, but you, some guy on the internet, you know better. They have a right to know! Go call them up and inform them how wrong they are!