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Assume you have all the luxuries of a modern life in your Tardis (toilet, hot showers, TV, books, game console, ...) which doubles as a mini self-sufficient apartment with it's own energy stores and generation.

Where in history would you go if comfort wasn't an issue?

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[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The end of time and the edge of the universe to have a good meal at the restaurant.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

It might just be a bistro

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

i’d go to the first nuclear bomb test, after it went off i’d say they just created a rift in time, and i came back to stop them from destroying the world through paradoxes….

[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

Just make sure you don't accidentally become your own grandparent.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Put on fake ears and paint yourself green

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[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The middle of the carboniferous, imagine forests growing for millions of years and wood not decaying. There should be mountains made of wood.

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[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Go back to before multicellular life evolved so nothing will bother me

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] 0_0j@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago
[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd go watch the pyramids being built, should be very interesting.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

That'd take a long time unless you skip ahead a few years every now and then

[–] StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I've given this a lot of thought but I'd love to meet oppressed historical figures. I'd love to see people autonomously standing up for themselves like at Stonewall and The Battle of Cable Street. I assume that they are both more brutal than anything I can imagine but it blows my mind to realize how many people came together.

I'd love to see the parts of town where the post-WW2 "slum clearings" took place. Gentrification is having a real impact here at the moment and its a shame. We recently lost a shabby 80s community centre and the building that replaced it never got the community back. Honestly, I just want to walk around here before the cars arrived.

A stranger thing that I would want to see is the old wood-paneled stock on the Metropolitan line of the London Underground in service at its peak. I generally would just want to explore transport systems as a whole. Getting to ride a 1910s tram on the street would probably feel surreal.

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[–] knighthawk0811@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

first things first.

i would relax in my new Tardis, with all the needed luxuries, and take that in for a while. take care of me

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"what would you do if your basic needs were met?"
"chill the fuck out"

seems like a solid answer to me no joke

[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I’ll visit past me and leave some letters that contain useful information. You know, don’t trust those people, avoid doing this mistake, know yourself etc. would be interesting to see how that timeline diverges from my own.

Actually. now that I’ve opened this door, might as well try influencing world history on a larger scale. How about I visit certain key moments where a dangerous person almost died, but survived to cause massive harm later down the line. Would be really interesting to see how history plays out after nudging Hitler a little bit closer than to that suitcase. History is just full of special moments like that.

I wouldn’t be a passive observer. I would actively change things to see what happens.

BTW, I believe in the many words interpretation of quantum physics, so all possibilities are equally real and they all exist simultaneously. No matter how hard you try to fix things or how badly you mess things up, that disaster branch was already there, always will be.

[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you like fiction (and Stephen King for that matter), you should read 11 22 63. Main character goes back in time to change past events and things... sort of work out. It has a cool take on time travel and course of events in general, I was a big fan of reading it.

There is also a mediocre tv adaption of it as well if you're not into fiction, but I didn't finish it.

[–] Arkhive@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago

Some other books that handle time travel in fun ways and play with explicitly making changes to the past.

  • Asimov’s The End of Eternity (might have gone without saying)
  • Jack Finney’s Time and Again (read it as a kid, so might not actually be that good, but it’s illustrated which is fun!)
[–] pcalau12i@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Many Worlds is an incredibly bizarre point of view.

Quantum mechanics has two fundamental postulates, that being the Schrodinger equation and the Born rule. It's impossible to get rid of the Born rule in quantum mechanics as shown by Gleason's Theorem, it's an inevitable consequence of the structure of the theory. But Schrodinger's equation implies that systems can undergo unitary evolution in certain contexts, whereas the Born rule implies systems can undergo non-unitary evolution in other contexts.

If we just take this as true at face value, then it means the wave function is not fundamental because it can only model unitary evolution, hence why you need the measurement update hack to skip over non-unitary transformations. It is only a convenient shorthand for when you are solely dealing with unitary evolution. The density matrix is then more fundamental because it is a complete description which can model both unitary and non-unitary transformations without the need for measurement update, "collapse," and does so continuously and linearly.

However, MWI proponents have a weird unexplained bias against the Born rule and love for unitary evolution, so they insist the Born rule must actually just be due to some error in measurement, and that everything actually evolves unitarily. This is trivially false if you just take quantum mechanics at face value. The mathematics at face value unequivocally tells you that both kinds of evolution can occur under different contexts.

MWI tries to escape this by pointing out that because it's contextual, i.e. "perspectival," you can imagine a kind of universal perspective where everything is unitary. For example, in the Wigner's friend scenario, for his friend, he would describe the particle undergoing non-unitary evolution, but for Wigner, he would describe the system as still unitary from his "outside" perspective. Hence, you can imagine a cosmic, godlike perspective outside of everything, and from it, everything would always remain unitary.

The problem with this is Hilbert space isn't a background space like Minkowski space where you can apply a perspective transformation to something independent of any physical object, which is possible with background spaces because they are defined independently of the relevant objects. Hilbert space is a constructed space which is defined dependently upon the relevant objects. Two different objects described with two different wave functions would be elements of different Hilbert spaces.

That means perspective transformations are only possible to the perspective of other objects within your defined Hilbert space, you cannot adopt a "view from nowhere" like you can with a background space, so there is just nothing in the mathematics of quantum mechanics that could ever allow you to mathematically derive this cosmic perspective of the universal wave function. You could not even define it, because, again, a Hilbert space is defined in terms of the objects it contains, and so a Hilbert space containing the whole universe would require knowing the whole universe to even define it.

The issue is that this "universal wave function" is neither mathematically definable nor derivable, so it only has to be postulated, as well as its mathematical properties postulates, as a matter of fiat. Every single paper on MWI ever just postulates it entirely by fiat and defines by fiat what its mathematical properties are. Because the Born rule is inevitable form the logical structure of quantum theory, these mathematical properties always include something basically just the same as the Born rule but in a more roundabout fashion.

None of this plays any empirical role in the real world. The only point of the universal wave function is so that whenever you perceive non-unitary evolution, you can clasp your hands together and pray, "I know from the viewpoint of the great universal wave function above that is watching over us all, it is still unitary!" If you believe this, it still doesn't play any role in how you would carry out quantum mechanics, because you don't have access to it, so you still have to treat it as if from your perspective it's non-unitary.

[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 2 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the in-depth explanation.

The way I see it, MWI is more of a philosophical idea. As far as I know, it’s impossible to test it, so currently it’s still firmly outside the sphere of science.

You pointed out some valid reasons why the future of MWI looks shaky, and I’m fine with that. If MWI falls apart, I’ll just move on to the next best thing. I just find MWI intuitively appealing, but I don’t have any strong reasons to believe it or reject it. As you mentioned, MWI doesn’t change the way you would carry out quantum mechanics, so currently it has no practical impact.

[–] VirusMaster3073@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

I would stop my kid self from taking the concerta I was prescribed and instead get him to drink a cup of coffee every morning, and would also give him advice for when he stops being a Christian and his parents go apeshit and try to desperately bring him back into the fold.

Also I would prefer to use a DeLorean

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[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago

Absolutely nowhere. I'll spend rest of my life enjoying myself in the tardis.

[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Go back to various ancient cities and just sit in the equivalent of the town square and watch a day go by. See the food! So many lost recipes. See the clothing??? We only know what the wealthy wore for the most part, I want to see what the majority of people ate, drank, wore, what their homes looked like. What did they do to pass the time??

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

right? walk a mile in the average person's footsteps.

Though I'm now imagining some weird guy bursting into my house in strange garb, just as I'm about to go to work, excitedly pointing at my vacuum cleaner, and the bills on my table, and exclaiming "this is brilliant!"

[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Haha, I'd ask! If it's a tardis, it should be translating and making me look like I fit in, yeah? At least clothing wise. I'd be a pale weirdo in a lot of places, but it should work! I'll ask if I can visit, and bring them...wine works, right? That's pretty ancient and won't raise questions. That I'd answer with "it's a gift from far awaaaaaaay" very awkwardly.

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[–] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I would probably look at a few interesting years I am aware of, but after a while I figure it would devolve into "I dunno man, what the fuck was going on in 1111?"

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[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

"Take care" of Christopher Columbus.

[–] NKBTN@feddit.uk 2 points 1 week ago

Possibly Ghengis Khan too. And a handful of Roman Emperors and European royalty.

[–] VirusMaster3073@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Give all the natives AK-47s and tons of ammo

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[–] Dillenger69@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd love to witness the Chixilub impact. Or Pompeii, or any huge natural disaster. The bigger the better. I'd also like to figure out how the moon was actually created. Then see the sun swallow the earth at the end.

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[–] possiblyaperson@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd love to see the future, because I really am hopeful for humanity to move beyond all this bullshit to some post scarcity utopia :)) Failing that, I'd probably go watch Phineas Gage's big moment, because, woah.

[–] WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think you'd want to go into the future after the point time travel was invented because then other time travellers will have been messing with the timeline back and forth a million ways.

[–] t_berium@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I'd go as far back as possible and see how things came to be. And to the time our sun was born and later when our moon was formed. And I'd visits the time and watch earth meeting it's end.

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd check out and record all of the Biblical/Qur'anic big moments at a prudent distance, probably (barring the times of Noah, lol). Then I'd die in the time machine as I try to come back to my time and share with others cause God wants belief in the unseen and through uncertainty, maybe. 😅

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Write your own bible with the truth, distribute it to safe locations like Constantinople, Alexandria, and Baghdad.

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Somehow I would be stopped, I feel it. And regardless, they'd corrupt my writings even if I was careful and entirely honest, and the lumpen would eat it up. Oh well. 🤷😅

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

'"Live and let live" he writes. Father, does that mean "Die and make Die also applies?"

[–] PatheticGroundThing@beehaw.org 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'd go back and see if I can find Jesus. See what he looked like, what he actually said at his sermons, and what happened after the crucifixion.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I'd go back and preserve all the missing Doctor Who episodes. :)

[–] hahattpro@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I did what supposed to be done in Red Alert lore and see what happens.

The world without Tesla, Edition, Einstein. I guess we are running on magic now.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

Wait I thought it was just a world without Hitler

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

Definitely the future. Probably like 500 year increments.

[–] Lanske@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Shoot Trump's dad

[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'd stay where I am and just travel back before the internet existed/was widely adopted

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[–] Dr_Vindaloo@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How has no one mentioned dinosaurs yet? You disappoint me, Lemmy.

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