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[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 72 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

I recently put in a lot of hours for a software system to be able to handle webp just as well as every other image format it already accepted. I put in a lot of work as well. Hadn't heard about it for a while, but saw the feature release statement for the new version I knew my changes were in. It wasn't on there. So I reached out to my contact and asked if there was an issue or did it get bumped to a later version or what? So she told me the marketing team that do the release statements decided not to include it. They stated for one, people already expect common formats to be handled. Saying you now handle a format looks bad, since people know you didn't handle it before and were behind the curve. The second (probably more important) reason was nobody knew what webp even was and it's only something technical people care about (they probably said nerds, but my contact translated). So no regular customer would be interested and it could only lead to confusion and questions.

I hope somebody is happy with the work I put in tho. Somebody is going to drag a webp into the system and have it be accepted. Someday.... I hope...

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 46 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
  1. Fuck those people for telling you this after you did the work
  2. Those reasons are hard-stop stupid. If they REALLY cared about the marketing they'd release it silently or add a "improvements to image format handling" line and leave it at that.
[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 26 points 5 hours ago

Maybe I worded it incorrectly. The feature was released in that version. They just didn't mention it in the release statement they put out to there customers. I'm sure there's some changelog somewhere people can dig into where it says something like what you mentioned. Or it can just be under "Various small improvements" which they always add as a catch-all.

So I'm happy, I did the job and got paid. Everyone I worked with was happy. And the feature got released. It's was just a let down it didn't get mentioned at all, even though I put quite a lot of work into it.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 12 points 5 hours ago

I hope somebody is happy with the work I put in tho. Somebody is going to drag a webp into the system and have it be accepted.

And that was me! I mean, not with your software but with someone else's years ago. Still, in a weird anachronistic karma sort of way, thank you for caring.

[–] Emotional@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 7 hours ago

I appreciate it! Thank you

[–] squid_slime@lemm.ee 8 points 6 hours ago

Lemmy uses webp for profile pics.

[–] StarMerchant938@lemmy.world 41 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (4 children)

As someone who sometimes needs a quick and dirty stock image for my work, webp is the bane of my existence. The work computers won't let me visit sites or install programs/extensions to convert the image, and my document processing programs have no fucking clue what to do with the format. There is an option in Microsoft edge to edit image, and it will dump the result as a .png which is the only workaround I've found.

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 hours ago

I run Firefox portable with the extension "Save webp as PNG or JPEG". It has a button to copy directly to clipboard in the format of your choice.

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 41 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Samir ?

[–] randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

loled at how the name of the Chinese guy is just "generic Chinese name" put into Google Translate

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[–] OwlHamster@lemm.ee 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I usually open it in paint and save as.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

I usually screenshot it in place with alt-print screen, paste it into paint, crop it to size, and save

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

When I save as an image and it comes up as webp I just change the extension dropdown to all files and change the extension to .png in the filename box, hasn't failed for me yet

[–] scholar@lemmy.world 29 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

.jxl is the better image format anyway

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 14 minutes ago

.jxl is still early. Webp is out for 14 years now and if support is missing its completely on the ineptitude of the client and nothing else.

[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like jxl is supported even less than webp though

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 20 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

webp is completely supported by browsers I think now.

Websites still get weird about it.

JXL is supported by Safari and ummmmm mobile Safari.

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 1 points 29 minutes ago

iPhone 16 supports shooting in JPEG-XL and I expect that will be huge for hardware/processing adoption.

[–] Jeeve65@ttrpg.network 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

webp is not fully supported by safari and webview on iOS; they cannot export images as image/webp using the toDataUrl or toBlob from a canvas element

[–] sfled@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

Frak Safari.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 7 points 6 hours ago

"Surely they must be exaggerating," I thought...

https://caniuse.com/jpegxl

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[–] Olissipo@programming.dev 51 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (17 children)

I'm working on a project which generates images in multiples sizes, and also converts to WEBP and AVIF.

The difference in file size is significant. It might not matter to you, but it matters to a lot of people.

Here's an example (the filename is the width):

Also, using the <picture></picture> element, if the users' browsers don't support (or block) AVIF/WEBP, the original format is used. No harm in using them.

(I know this is a meme post, but some people are taking it seriously)

[–] TwistyLex@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Literally just today solved a problem of delivering analytics plots over our internal chat system. The file size limit is 28Kb and I was just getting ready to say screw it, can't be done.

Lo and behold our chat system that doesn't support svg does support webp. Even visually complicated charts come in just below the size limit with webp.

[–] vvvvv@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Why 28Kb though?

[–] TwistyLex@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly no idea. It's funny though. The API allows us to either read it directly from our lakehouse with the 28Kb limit, or allows us to encode it in a json object. It actually recommends using the json method if we want to send larger files... but then complains it's too large if it's over 28Kb 🤷‍♂️

I think it was probably originally only intended to allow attaching icons.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Feels like a bug where someone forgot the 1 in 128kb. What chat app is this?? In Slack, custom emojis can be up to 128kb in filesize

[–] TwistyLex@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 hour ago

It's MS Teams with their PowerAutomate flows from Fabric. The limitation might not exist in the direct rest API, which I could have used through Python; but it's a hackathon, and my other team mates know PowerAutomate. Faster if we each coordinate using what we're good with.

[–] TwistyLex@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 hour ago

It's apparently PowerAutomate Adaptive cards.

[–] JDPoZ@lemmy.world 14 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

I've mentioned this topic in regards to animated images, but don't see as big a reason to push for static formats due to the overall relatively limited benefits other than wider gamut and marginally smaller file size (percentage wise they are significant, but 2KB vs 200KB is paltry on even a terrible connection in the 2000s).

What I really wish is that we could get more browsers, sites, and apps to universally support more modern formats to replace the overly bloated terribly performing and never correctly pronounced animated formats like GIF with something else like AVIF, webm, webp (this was a roughly ~60MB GIF, and becomes a 1MB WEBP with better performance), or even something like APNG...

Besides wider gamut, and better performance, the sizes are actually significant on all but the fastest connections and save sites on both storage and bandwidth at significant scale compared to the mere KB of change that a static modern asset has.

This WEBP is only 800KB but only shows up on some server instances since not every Lemmy host supports embedding them :

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago

Is that last webp animated? Asking because I know jerboa (Lemmy client) doesn't play animated images

[–] Oaksey@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

It's pronounced GIF

[–] Olissipo@programming.dev 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

but 2KB vs 200KB is paltry on even a terrible connection in the 2000s).

You still need to resize the images and choose the right ones (even if only for the device's performance).

So we might as well do that small extra step and add conversion to the process.

What I really wish is that we could get more browsers, sites, and apps to universally support more modern formats to replace the overly bloated terribly performing and never correctly pronounced animated formats like GIF with something else like AVIF, webm, webp (this was a roughly ~60MB GIF, and becomes a 1MB WEBP with better performance), or even something like APNG…

Isn't that the users' fault? And of the websites for allowing those huge GIFs.

Apparently browsers have supported MP4 for a long time.

https://caniuse.com/mpeg4

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

But why webp over jxl

We already have the solution

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