Yoko Taro talking about weird shows a healthy deal of self awareness... +1 respect in my book
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I know im late to the party but... I just started playing Death Stranding. Lets just say its more than just a walking simulator...
It is mental, but I also kind of wish he'd hire somebody else to write dialogue for him.
And maybe somebody to check all the women characters, and make sure he's not coming across as being a little bit odd.
And maybe somebody to check all the women characters, and make sure he’s not coming across as being a little bit odd.
Yeah....
And Death Stranding is better about its female characters than most of the MGS games...
Not sure what you mean - "Mario and Princess Beach" is obviously peak cinema
I JUST started collecting chrysalis crystals. (so mabyt 4-5 delvilvery/walking sim missions in)
To quote an old meme, 'I know nothing Jon Snow' but one i saw the Title
Hand prints in the sand,
I knew this was more than a walking simulator
By the time you finish the game, whatever you've seen so far will seem like the most normal thing in the world.
Definitely a lot of standard Kojima gameplay in there, among the apocalyptic Deliveroo simulator and bonkers 4th wall breaking.
I mean, it's being a mail carrier in a world that is maximum Kojima.
I mean it's an Amazon delivery simulator so yeah
That's the entire tech industry. I got in at the tail end of it being full of nerds who were interested in computers. Then jocks and the like found out it pays really well and now it isn't fun anymore.
Yeah, it was nice as long as it lasted, now it's all meetings and stupid "agility" (as agile as DPRK is democratic) and measurings of your percieved productivity.
I'm still looking, maybe some c/c++ old legacy system needs a geek somewhere?
Jocks != Business c suite
What's a jock if it isn't the highschool quarterback?
Non usa-ish here
Too many business majors joined game dev teams
Yeah man all those well known jocks like Spez and Zuckerberg sure did a number on tech.
+1 to this, I feel like having a ton of money is what corrupts leadership, not necessarily their technical background.
Maybe Spez and Zuck haven’t changed much, but I feel like some others started out as relatively reasonable people who were also technically brilliant, but eventually their companies started doing shitty things and they are both aware and apparently unwilling to stop it.
Perhaps corruption in the Soviet Union is a good example of how even people from normal hard working backgrounds (i.e. not billionaires who have never worked a day in their life) can still be corrupted by power and a lack of accountability.
I'll add, though, that I don't necessarily disagree with the premise of this article: maybe the portion of people passionate about game development (and software in general) has become a lot lower, so now leadership is more likely to be people just looking to maximize income, power, and success, rather than people who want to make the best possible products, or at least work on projects that they are passionate about.
But I did want to agree with the person I originally replied to: just because someone is from a highly technical background and doesn't seem like some MBA looking to maximize profits, that doesn't necessarily mean they'll make good decisions.
I am really interested in hearing ideas for how to optimize for the kind of behaviour we want, without encouraging bad behaviour that simply optimizes around whatever incentives exist, sacrificing things that are not always obvious to the consumer.
Like if it turns out that the best way to get quality games was to actually promote people passionate about game development into management... how do you catch people who fake it? Or prevent people who may absolutely love developing games from ending up in development hell and never focusing on prioritizing a usable game, cutting corners where necessary, or possibly only working on the fun parts (e.g. Star Citizen? Or most projects I start for fun :( ... )
It is discouraging that the current system... having people review games and just choose not to buy shitty ones clearly doesn't work, given the state of AAA games right now. And to some extent I feel like this can be applied to democracy and the economy as a whole: the wrong things are being optimized for, to the detriment of important things that are harder to measure objectively.
There are some success stories though, I absolutely love Factorio and its recent expansion. And I think there are lots of other great indie games. Maybe there is nothing to complain about in game development, at least, where supposedly the indie game options are better than ever. Perhaps this post is not a great place to ask this kind of question, but I honestly don't know where it would be more applicable. I feel like political or economic discussions on the internet (and especially Lemmy) get way too polarized.
hey mark does ju jitsu and he's totally really good at it and all the other martial artist guys love hanging out with him
The weird people are still there, but development teams are much larger now, so their input is not as prominent. Plus the budgets are so large that a flop can heavily damage a company or even ruin it, so they're very risk-averse. We need more AA or A games instead of relying so much on heavy-hitters.
The weird people still make tons of indie games.
Indie games are great and all, but everybody I know is still waiting for great AAA games again that we can play together.
I mean, sure, complaining and while doing the same thing and expecting a different result is one strategy. AAA games are purely capitalistic endeavours.
Well you need better friends
Capitalism at its finest.
I stopped playing AAA games years ago. They are all trash.
Indie games are where it’s at
They're polished, but nearly all of them are too safe.
The ones that subvert things a little are always best for me, and these always get mixed reactions from people who went in with a set idea of what they wanted from it.
Red Dead Redemption 2 being a slow paced wild west simulator rather than Grand Theft Horse is a prime example. It didn't play by safety and doing popular things. It did what they wanted it to be, and it's all the better for it.
I dunno I like elden ring and rdr2. Some are still good, just not most, anymore
Yeah I'm playing cyberpunk for the first time and really enjoying it. i don't know how much it innovates, but I'd say it was certainly a good game.
Not all, but yeah. 75% of my wishlists are weird and interesting indie stuff from the constant Steam demo fests.
I've mainly been an Indie gamer since 2012 or so. My last gaming build is almost 7 years old, but I think the last AAA game I played was during lockdown and that was just because it was a way to hang with friends. At this point I just play indie ports on my phone.
Funny enough, after going through my Steam recently played, the last AAA game I enjoyed was Nier.
Some are quite good tho
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After Spec Ops The line, everything went to shit, the bar was too high
Dunno why you're being downvoted, that game was insanely good. Mediocre shooter, but the story was amazingly good.
More than 'story', the way they made every part of the game about it.
It was mediocre/workmanlike when viewed entirely as a shooter. But most of the gameplay just used 'shooter' as framing.
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Meanwhile, Death Stranding 2 is just days from launch.
There's definitely weird people making games on itch and sometimes in the depths of Steam.
By its very definition weird isn't going to sell to mass market. That being said I do agree that we need more weird AAA or AA games.
The Alters just released, is AA, weird, and very good! Indies are definitely the home for weird experimental shit but I feel like there are going to be more strange, niche games being made for larger budgets as the AAA space splinters and devours itself.
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Makes sense. AAA games are finance projects more than creative projects. Yeah there’s a lot of art and writing and stuff, but it’s all calibrated to make the most money and anything that threatens it is jettisoned. This makes them formulaic to a fault.
Indie games are passion projects, so you see a lot of weird stuff out there. Most of them are utter failures, financially, but the ones that survive are truly something special.
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