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Your TV Is Spying On You (www.ludlowinstitute.org)
submitted 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) by Pro@programming.dev to c/technology@lemmy.world
 

You sit down to relax, put on your favorite show, and settle in for a night of binge-watching. But while you’re watching your TV… your TV is watching you.

Smart TVs take constant snapshots of everything you watch. Sometimes hundreds of snapshots a second.

Welcome to the future of "entertainment."

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

At this point I'm just going to assume George Orwell was a time traveler. He's been right about everything so far.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

No it’s not.

Still got an old Panasonic plasma from 2010 and it’s going strong.

But I am aware of the “wonders” of post-purchase monetization, which is how they’re printing out so many of these cutting edge OLED big screens for surprisingly low initial purchase prices

[–] acchariya@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Just create a black hole network at your house and connect all 'smart' appliances to that. Block all traffic at the router level. This prevents them trying to connect to open mesh networks and also provides the benefit of cataloging all the traffic

[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Mine ain't, I'm using an ancient dumb TV.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not, but I've disconnected the Internet from it. It can try all it wants to send the data to the mother ship.

[–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 day ago

Soon they may come with cellular capacity. Cars and e-bikes already do.

You gotta Faraday cage it!

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

even better we dont use tv anymore, just a PC.

[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 1 points 17 hours ago

Still gonna need a large screen somehow unless you watch all your stuff at the desk or through a laptop.

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[–] foosedev@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I watch TV through my computer using Jellyfin. Am I at danger?

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago
[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Other than your PC or Mac spying on you, you are in no danger.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sometimes hundreds of snapshots a second.

That's a pretty neat FPS for a tv.

[–] camelbeard@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

The article states that's what the privacy policy sais samsung can sample every 500ms and LG every 10ms. It doesn't really mean they are, but it's definitely possible. A very basic way of detecting content is to take a 1000 pixels evenly spaced out over the screen and store the color values. That gives you something you can match against a database. You don't need to process a 4K screenshot for this.

[–] beveradb@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah I'm calling bullshit on that quote, I'd like to see proof of any smart TV having beefy enough hardware to record anything at 100fps+, and even then what would be the point? Nothing played back on the screen will even have a frame rate and 60fps... I'm sure this is a lazy article mistake

EDIT: I take it back, I talked it out with Gemini and understand the logic and realistic implementation now, it's a dedicated part of the SoC design. Still hate the fact that this is a thing, we just need to spread the word about not connecting your actual TV to the internet at all ever.

https://g.co/gemini/share/e37d7882d427

[–] Breezy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

If they were recording so much couldnt tv makers be held liable for recording another companies property.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 37 points 2 days ago (4 children)

No, it's not. It has not connected to the internet.

[–] CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Some TVs will sneakily connect to open APs to try and phone home. It is nasty but it does happen. You can only be worry free if you yank out the radio module. Some TVs make it easier than others (My LG TV made it as easy as opening the back of the TV and disconnecting, YMMV)

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[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Well, so, about that.

A lot of TV's will form mesh nets with same brand-or even across brands³-, until they find one that is connected. I've even heard reports of one with a sim card¹.

¹in a 'smoke filled room'² ²okay it was a van. A smoke filled van. And she was on some other stuff too.

³OS based i think? So instead of Sony's seeking Sony's or samsungs seeking samsungs, its android tvs or roku's or whatever forming meshes. Don't quote me on that though

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[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

My thoughts exactly. My Xbox is spying on me instead.

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[–] AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 144 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's almost like we should have strong data privacy laws so companies can't spy on everything we do...

[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago

But think of the corporations! Why isn't anyone thinking of the poor withering corporations?!

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I guess I'll stick with my 2012 Toshiba 55" dumb TV.

[–] IMALlama@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

We probably have the same model - the one with the big oval stand. Every once in a while I wish it was OLED and/or higher resolution, but it's not worth the expensive or all the modern "features" such as these.

[–] FG_3479@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The built-in OS on smart TVs almost always sucks. The built-in OS on our LG is slower, has less apps, and has less support for HDR and higher resolutions than our Fire stick.

Just don't use it and instead plug in a Fire stick, turn off its tracking, then sideload apps like BeeTV and HDO Box.

I know Amazon has a bad rep from a privacy standpoint but the Fire stick is super cheap compared to its competition and lets you turn off the tracking in one page of the settings menu.

[–] hootmcgoot@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The article says the TVs still capture input and do recognition from external sources so using an external device is not helping.

Edit: Unless your tv is not connected to the internet.

[–] orb360@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

The TV can still connect via weave, Amazon sidewalk, or other mesh networks through your neighbors doorbell or thermostat or whatever... Even if you never connect it, it could still report. Have to open it up and destroy the antennas.

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

I just don’t own a tv. Getting rid of my entertainment and gaming systems and most of social media was my answer to internal peace. I don’t have streaming either.

[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 80 points 3 days ago (17 children)

So does your isp, and uses that for targeted ads. My pihole is constantly blocking a domain ran by xfinity that collects data for their targeted ad service

[–] Lojcs@lemm.ee 29 points 2 days ago

I don't think those two facts are related? Your isp doesn't need to connect to its servers from within your local network to track your internet usage. Something else in your network must be trying to connect to that domain

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[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I’ve never allowed my TV to have an active route to the internet since I bought it in 2019, it’s exclusively fed over HDMI by gaming consoles and an Apple TV.

The thing is, HDMI 1.4 added HEC, so what’s to prevent media players from serving as an Ethernet switch and providing an internet connection to TVs.

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Jokes on them: I watch videos on my tablet. There’s no way that’s spying on me, right? Right?

[–] eleitl@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Not if your tablet runs an open source operating system without tracking. Like GrapheneOS or LineageOS, which both can be set up entirely without Google services, or sandboxing apps.

[–] Nima@leminal.space 55 points 3 days ago (2 children)

oh I disabled my "smart" TV's ability to connect to the internet. its a dumb TV now.

it made the mistake of showing me a banner ad while I was gaming. so I promptly cut its balls off in retaliation.

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[–] atlien51@lemm.ee 16 points 2 days ago (5 children)

What 4K TV can I buy that doesn’t do this guys help? Or should I stick to monitors???

[–] pool_spray_098@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I mean... Just don't hook the TV up to the internet. Don't join your WiFi network on the TV.

Kind of a simple solution.

Doesn't work anymore. They do dark mesh networks.

[–] atlien51@lemm.ee 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No it’s not! I had a goddamn Sony tv and it wouldn’t let me change certain settings unless I connected it to the internet! They try to force your hand!

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[–] Steve@communick.news 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Look for Signage Displays. They're basically TVs with different software.

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[–] Manalith@midwest.social 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sceptre still makes TVs that are just that, no underlying smart OS

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[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Does anyone know if there's a domain blocklist for smart TV telemetry? If so, I could easily put it into my DNS server, like I already do for ads.

I'd like to continue using my streaming apps without resorting to yet another device. I have an HTPC that runs KODI but I think it'd be a pain to replace all of my streaming apps.

[–] laserlizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

A couple I'm aware of:

But like flightyhobler suggested, if you keep an eye on your DNS logs with Pi-hole or managed services like AdGuard DNS and NextDNS you'll get a better idea of what's still getting through.

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[–] flightyhobler@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

Turn the TV on and keep an eye on the logs. Many of the common blocklist already block that kind of telemetry.

[–] captainastronaut@seattlelunarsociety.org 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Stupid TVs FTW. If you can’t buy them stupid, give them a WiFi lobotomy.

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