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[–] korsystems@lemmy.ml 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't even know why my country is still in this cesspool. NATO is nothing more than an American subsidiary that forces others to buy its shit. My country has the atomic bomb, which is the only necessary thing to guarantee our sovereignty in the very long term. No reason to invest 5% of our GDP in additional death machines, especially when our debt is astronomical.

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 1 points 21 hours ago

If we don't win this war now that it's limited to Ukraine, Putin will spread it to first Baltics and then Finland once he his army has regained enough strength. Unless we have developed our defense capabilities sufficiently by that.

We need to be ready for the event that France and Germany decide that Ukraine should fall. And if at that point the only countries that have a serious ability to defend against the Russia are Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, then the economy of northwestern EU will be in shambles. And that will definitely affect the rest of EU, including whatever country you are from.

If the whole EU is interested in repelling the Russia when it attacks, then it probably won't even attack. But if only the countries bordering it are interested in that, it abaolutely will attack the northeastern EU. And then your bread will get a lot more expensive.

[–] engene@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why can’t we just distance ourselves from this? Why must we appease him!? 😡

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

We dont lol Americans think we are because we increase the military spending. We are also not cutting social spending

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 74 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. [...] The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some 50 miles of concrete highway. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people." - Eisenhower

When did the US elect a COMMUNIST

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (38 children)

Kewl. If only there wasn't a country that invaded another country on our borders, that openly talks about invading even more, fucking about with our utilities and using spies, the internet and sabotage to fuck around even more.

A comfy life needs to be secured with military might, like it or not. Otherwise you get assholes in shitholes trying to forcefully take it from you. Rome knew that, the US knows that, the EU knows this (otherwise it wouldn't exist - since it is made to increase bargaining power and contains mutual defense clauses).

So until Russia stops being a militaristic shithole that invades its neighbors and starts building those schools, power plants, hospitals and highways, we need to spend taxes on military. And yes, Russia is a threat - Georgia shown us, 2014 has shown us, 2022 has shown us.

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I don't disagree. But teddy had it right when he said speak softly but know when to swing your big dick

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[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 155 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Jesus fucking Christ. The fact that he is getting away with so much bullshit based solely on the fear that he might do something is absolutely infuriating. Like, I get it. I understand that it's a complicated issue and these people caving to him are trying desperately to appease him to save their own countries or themselves. But this man, and whoever is backing him and possibly pulling the strings, is purposefully destroying society for more money and power. So much shit going backwards because less than 1% of the 8 billion of people on the entire fucking planet felt like they didn't have enough.

And at the end of the day, when everyone is done appeasing a madman, what will be left? What kind of world will we create as we bend the knee to the man that wants us all to suffer? If you appease the madman to save yourself, the only thing you will get in return is a life of fear in a madman's world.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 64 points 2 days ago (2 children)

At this point, I'm pretty sure they're just using it as an excuse to wreck social services.

[–] thelivefive@startrek.website 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Oligarchic authoritarianism has been on the rise worldwide for the last 20 years at least and people go on about Trump like he's the cause not a symptom. He's about to be dead and these dumbasses will sit around wondering why everything isn't better now that bad man gone.

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[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Worse. More like less than 0.0001% of the humans on the planet.

[–] jimjam5@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

He can get fucked by a huge pine cone. He and those that back him are enemies of humanity at this point, willfully choosing to be cruel and sacrificing lives for money and power.

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Don't appease. Destroy. Did it work with you tied to appease any other dictators?

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[–] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The fuck we are. This sounds like psyop

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Well the UK just cut disability benefits.

France is cutting support for chronically ill people.

The swiss government is planning on removing disability benefits for young people…

[–] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Dell Switzerland is hardly doing it to appease NATO "allies". Yeah I know they are sort of allied adjacent.

I am not saying that the countries are not doing these things. But are they doing it to curry favor with TACO Trump?

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[–] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Hey European nations; Nice to know about how your sovereignty works.

[–] atthecoast@feddit.nl 36 points 2 days ago (17 children)

I distrust this type of article as China and Russia have lots to gain from trying to stirr up opposition or protests in Europe, especially on this topic of defense.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's about Russia and it's militarist expansionism, not about Trump.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Its both. But not to appease trump, but to be prepared in case of a standoff

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[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

No shit Sherlock

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Does it say anywhere in the article what social programs are on the chopping block? I've heard this claim hundreds of times, but so far it's on the basis of "it's got to come from somewhere". What if you build military hospitals, military infrastrtucture and military schools? Wink wink, nudge nudge.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

it's not listed because this is not what is happening

italy for example put bridge construction in that military budget (as critical infrastructure)

also the subtext was "spend that defense budget in america" and this is not happening either for variety of reasons, so it's partial failure already for them

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

“spend that defense budget in america”

hah, yeah, that part is hilarious. tramp already ruined the f35 program by suggesting that the ones sold to allies would come with degraded specs...why sink funding in something that you can only use with american permission exclusively for their stupid wars?

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[–] hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

russia is gearing towards Europe.

The first stage of the war is sowing discontent.

Read up on Gerasimovs doctrine.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

A lot of countries got lulled into a false sense of security by USA being in the NATO and Russia not outright attacking anyone for a moment and let their defence deteriorate. And now they're paying for it

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[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Opinion article. Also they missed many NATO Top nuances, like the whole political game. But yes, NATO members in Europe have been spending more, and more defense is and was needed.

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